Warlords Expansion New Traits

[MikeH]

In an expansion called "Warlords"?

No.

[monkspider]

Originally posted by Martinus

Yeah I agree. I suppose it would be nicely rounded if the bonus also extended to machine guns which are the quintessential defense unit.

It actually *does*. A little known fact of Civ IV is that Machine Guns are considered siege units. At this point though, I do still see protective to be very weak. Charismatic and imperialistic on the other hand are quite strong.

[JackRudd]

Originally posted by Solver
The strength isn't so much in the fact that you have Drill II immediately, but more in the fact that you can upgrade to Drill III/Drill IV very quickly, and those are wickedly good promotions.

A little like the Aggressive trait in that respect, then? (I'm guessing a bit here, I very rarely play with an Aggressive leader.)

[Solver]

I would say so. IMO, the biggest strength of aggressive also isn't the +10% strength for units, but the ability to immediately take Shock/Cover.

[MikeH]

and medic 1 ? is that right?

[eris]

Originally posted by TimeTraveler
Does anyone else find it odd that all three of the new traits each have something to do with combat effectiveness?

Not in an expansion named "Warlords", no. After all, what did you expect from that title? If it were an expansion named "Builders", that would be a different story. As a builder myself, I would buy the latter expansion even more eagerly, but I bet the general demographics tested better for "Warlords". I will still get it, cause I do get agressive now and then. Also, I dearly want some more leaders to play with and against.

But I am still going to wait for the next expansion pack called "Builders". I'm just positive there will be one.

[LzPrst]

anyone but me thinking it strange that England gets another leader, already having 2?

so some civs will apparently have 3 leaders and some just 1. kinda bummed out imo...

makes for strangeness in mp games.
"Chancellor Bismarck, England has just declared war!"
-Verdammt! Send our knights to London at once!
"No sir, the other England..."
-What? Wait, I'm confused....
"Shall we just declare war on all three of them to make it easier on ourselves?"
-Yes, and declare war on the other Germany while you're at it, it might confuse them.

[Snotty]

Protective doesnt seem that weak to me. You are pretty much guaranteed to be safe until gunpowder, and you dont even have to start with any resources. Great for MP if you got shut out early and want to survive to see the mid game. Good news for SP too as the AI does love its archer defence, this might make the AI more robust.

And artillery coming out as 2xdrill+ 2x other promotions seems pretty powerful to me.

[Common Sensei]

Originally posted by Flamer(fin)
I really like Hannibal's combo (financial / charismatic)
Fin is my favorite trait and the extra money combined with 25% cost reduction in promotions is great.

That combo seems tailor-made for a food rich start.

[Qwertqwert]

Hmmm... Financial/Imperialistic would be really good, so would Industrious/Imperialistic.

[JackRudd]

Charismatic/Expansive looks pretty decent.

[Blaupanzer]

I am guessing the 25% reduction is for promoting to the next type of unit, rather than the number of experience points to add one more characteristic, e.g., drill III. Does anyone know for sure?

[Frank Johnson]

Only thing I can think of is that a protective leader would get a unit out of a barracks with 2 promotions (one for 2xp and another for 4xp) because of the reduction the promotion would come at 4 instead of 5.

[CarnalCanaan]

But no bonus for the fighters under a Protective leader? Say, +10% chance to intercept? That would be a fitting homage to the flyers in the Battle of Britain.

Still, I'm waitin' for this holiday season's biggest little purchase: "Civilization IV: Peaceniks"