The Inevitable Expansion Pack

[BigFree]

I'd like to see the ability to mine mountains.

I'd also like to see a change in the interface....when you right click a city and select a specific unit in it the mouse goes into "grab" mode for some reason. This is very annoying. One other thing, the mouse over for battle odds doesn't always work; sometimes it doesn't show you the odds it just shows the stats for the stack you'd be attacking with.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by BigFree
One other thing, the mouse over for battle odds doesn't always work; sometimes it doesn't show you the odds it just shows the stats for the stack you'd be attacking with.

You need to point at the stack, not at the flag of the stack.

[JackRudd]

Re: The Inevitable Expansion Pack

Originally posted by CarnalCanaan
There's never been more than one African civ in an Civ game.

My copy of Civ 2 tells me you're wrong. The Carthaginians, Zulus and Egyptians were all based in Africa.

[Robert]

The big suggestion is the inclusion of the Ethiopians as a new civ.

Wow, if this suggestion is already considered to be 'big', what do you expect from an EP?
Just only new civs?

Big suggestions are brand new game concepts and ideas!
I don't care about new civs, but I'm afraid that Firaxis will waste half of their resources on new civs, just because that's what people want

Who cares about new civs, new concepts is what we want

[Thorpe]

I want more "Future Techs".

Perhaps a rough approximation of Space Colonization?

[potoroo]

Originally posted by Thorpe
I want more "Future Techs".

Perhaps a rough approximation of Space Colonization?

Bugger Future Tech, I'd settle for them making the Internet a useful tech again. In Civ3 it boosted your research via Laboratories, in Civ4 it's arguably the most useless tech in the tree. By the time you get it you've got all the other techs anyway so the "free two techs known by other civs" is worthless.

But I dare say this has been mentioned before.

[JackRudd]

The Civ4 iteration of the Internet isn't useless if you beeline for it - you can easily pick up half a dozen techs for free by doing that. (Of course, your military suffers a bit while you're doing this.)

[potoroo]

Originally posted by JackRudd
The Civ4 iteration of the Internet isn't useless if you beeline for it - you can easily pick up half a dozen techs for free by doing that. (Of course, your military suffers a bit while you're doing this.)

By the time I've got all the techs for Modern Armour and Mech Infantry so I can fight a war on my terms there's not much left. As many people have said, the modern tech tree is unbalanced and the Internet tech suffers for it.

[Harrier UK]

Re: Re: Re: The Inevitable Expansion Pack

Originally posted by CarnalCanaan


Catherine the Great was a German, but I don't think anyone would question her title as one of the greatest Russian rulers.

And Frederick the Great, for that matter, barely knew German. He spoke mostly in French.

These points maybe true. But not relevant to my post.

What I was pointing out - is that a number of modern historians and archelogists now believe the queen of Sheba lived in an area of Arabia near Aden (in a city/state called Shabbu) and not in the African peninsulla.

All I am doing is highlighting another version of history that I have heard about.

I am refering to the historical location of that person, not where she was born. Previous older accounts of her homeland are now considered incorrect.

[Son of David]

The Civ4 incarnation of the internet implies that it is a tool for spreading information rather than contributing towards new technological advances in itself (as was implied in Civ3 when it put research labs in all your cities) - which seems to be closer to the actual internet we have in front of us right now.

More realistic still would be if the advent of the internet would automatically result in all civs sharing all technologies henceforth. At least, this would be more realistic than one civ building the Manhattan project and all civs thenceforth having the knowledge of nuclear weapons.

[Adm.Naismith]

Originally posted by BigFree
I'd like to see the ability to mine mountains.

To mine mountains you must allow at least workers to reach that tile, hence the mountains stops to be "impassable".
It seems silly that where you can move a workers team you can't move at least soldiers who can walk (no horse, no wheels).

That will change in-game movement and tactics in a relevant way, and spoil the difference between hills and mountains (both productive by mining, both passable by units). I suggest to avoid this change in any expansion pack, while may be some mods or scenario could use it, I suppose.

[LordShiva]

Mines

Land mines

[Tattila the Hun]

OK, a new terrain element, mountain pass.

But you know, it is rather silly, that one cannot go *around* a mountain. Maybe single mountain tiles could be made passable, but take one turn, no matter who is travelling, and require a road.

From my current game:

Sure, I could have build a city there... But the spot is sub-optimal, and I *should* be able to build a road there. And I have enough cities.
It's mountain *ranges* that are difficult to pass, you can just go around a single mountain.

Island games are fun, BTW.

I'd like to see experience for air units and workers. (From building stuff. Par example, the indian fast worker simply has a promotion from the beginning.)

[Alexander I]

As much as I would like to see Israel and Ethiopia included (I voted for them), there are other civs which are apparently much more popular.

I made a poll a little while back to see which civs everyone wanted in an expansion. Here are the top 10 results.

Babylonians - 87
Carthaginians/Phoenicians - 69
Norsemen - 63
Zulus - 61
Celts - 53
Dutch - 53
Byzantines - 50
Turks - 44
Mayans - 43
Koreans - 43

As you can see, Babylon (the one glaring omission from Vanilla Civ4) has overwhelming support from the poll. In fact, I'm almost positive that Babylon will at least be among the expansion civs. The other nine in the list are the most popular civs.

[Alexander I]

This is my Civ Forecast based on how Firaxis thinks, rather than purely on fan preference.

Considering how Civ always tries to have a "balance" between political correctness and popularity, I think in the expansion we are likely to have:

1. A Middle-Eastern Civ
2. A European Civ
3. An East Asian Civ
4. A Mesoamerican Civ
5. An African Civ
6. A North American Civ (Possibly)
7. A Repeat, Probably Middle East
8. Another Repeat, either Europe or Asia

That being the case, I think we can expect

1. Babylon or Sumer
2. Celts, Norse, Byzantines, Portugal or Netherlands
3. Korea or Khmer or Thai et al.
4. Mayans
5. Bantu or Zulu or Ethiopia
6. Sioux or Iroquois?
7. Turkey
8. See 2 and/or 3

That is my prediction.

Although I am not expecting them, I would personally still like to see Israel, with David Ben Gurion and King David.