Expansion Pack: Civs that MUST be included

[Chronus9]

If we really must have yet another European civ then I vote for Luxembourg. Or maybe Monaco. The Casino as a National Project, and other civs can use it as a tax haven. Or what about Andorra? Now there's a civ worth including. One big duty-free zone...

Or how about the Vatican?

And try to discover Hinduism as the Pope . . .

[LordShiva]

San Marino

[LordShiva]

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Originally posted by Axxaer

Banana was found guilty of eleven charges of sodomy, attempted sodomy and indecent assault

[mgdpublic]

I'd like to see "real" civilizations (eg, not just countries).


Babylonia
Sumeria
Bantu
Minoan
Byzantine
Ottoman
Carthaginian even though it's really Canaanite.
Israelites

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by xenophile58
I'd quite like to see some underdog civs. Hallstatt or Mohenjo-daro perhaps. Philistines and Hittites. Toltecs and Nubians. I'd actually prefer not to have any civ in the game that didn't exist at least 2000 years ago.

That sounds like it would work as a scenario.

[q=Gueron]I believe that at least on of the North American tribes (Cherokee, Iriquois (okay that was an alliance of tribes), Navajo, etc) should be included.[/q]

I'd say the Sioux/Lakota should be included.

I'm thinking (leaders in [ ]):

Sioux [Sitting Bull (Tatanka Iyotake) or Crazy Horse (Tasunka witko)]
Turks [Mehmed II, Kemal Ataturk]
Norse (ie, Vikings) [Rollo (Hrolf Ganger)]
Babylonians [Hammurabi, Nebuchadrezzar II]
Assyrians [Ashurbanipal]
Visigoths (or Goths, so youcan include the Ostragoths, and have Theodoric the Great as ruler) [Theodoric]
Byzantines [Justinian]
Khymer [Suryavarman II]

Or maybe the Kanem-Bornu [Aluma] in place of Assyria (same general area as Babylon)

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by LordShiva
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[potoroo]

Originally posted by xenophile58
I'd actually prefer not to have any civ in the game that didn't exist at least 2000 years ago.

Lessee, that would knock out the English (the Angles and Saxons not settling that part of the world until the 5th century AD); "America" obviously; possibly Germany since there was no Germany until 1871 (that's when Bismark became Chancellor) and the term Germanic tribes covers a territory from eastern Austria to England to Scandinavia; possibly the French, since the Franks didn't enter Gaul from Germania until the 3rd century AD; Russia since the Kievan Rus didn't emerge until the 10th century AD; the Incans since their empire wasn't founded until 1438AD; the Aztecs since they were the last major tribe to settle in the Lake Texcoco region and their empire didn't emerge until the 14th century AD; Mali, since the Mande peoples didn't settle that area until after the 1st century AD and the Malinese empire itself didn't emerge until the 14th century AD; and for that matter possibly even the Mongols, since their nomadic tribal system didn't become any sort of major power until Ghengis Khan united them in the 13th century.

That would leave us with Arabian (arguable), Chinese, Egyptian, Greek, Indian, Japanese, Persian, Roman and Spanish (also arguable) empires in the game.

Just some thoughts.

[srholmes]

Originally posted by Gueron

Any chance that we could have civil wars... Part of your nation (or a computer's nation) that seperate from their original nation, but don't join another?

This used to happen in Civ 1 sometimes when you captured a large rival's capital - it would be good to have it back

[srholmes]

Originally posted by potoroo



That would leave us with Arabian (arguable), Chinese, Egyptian, Greek, Indian, Japanese, Persian, Roman and Spanish (also arguable) empires in the game.

Just some thoughts.

We could add some new ones though: Britons, Phoenicians, Oltecs, Carthaginians maybe....?

[Luigi de Mérida]

Well

I'm seeing the posts of A Enriques and I'm with him

Portugal was a very important civilization in the Modern Age, in the Discovery Age concretely.

But it isn't only.

If people want civilizations like Celts or Gauls, Lussitanians can't be forgotten. They were the ancestors of Portugal and of Extremadura, they were a very brave nation with a clever leader: Viriato.

Then, Lusitania was a region of Roman Empire, with capital in Emerita Augusta (after, Merida, my town and actual capital of Extremadura, in Spain)

Next, Portugal was a pioner civilization, if they didn't discovered a new rute at the East for Africa to Malaca, Isabella and Fernando, the Catolical Kings of Spain, didn't aprove the travel to Indias of Colombus, and the Discover os America was been later, maybe it would change the history.

Perhaps, nowadays Portugal is a normal European country, but they were the first colonial civilization, they were the model of Europe.

I'm not Portuguese, I'm Spanish, but I think that Portuguese are a relevant civilization in the history.
Europa was closed by Ottomans, and Portugal opens Europa at the rest of the world.

This isn't a nationalistic or friendly post, I think that Portugal is a serius option, more than Khmer, Celts or Zulus, they were important, but Portugal was more




Now, the best civilizations for me for the expansion:

Portugal- Enrique el Navegante
Bizantyum- Justiniano the Great
Ottoman Empire- Soliman the Magnific
Zulu Empire- Shaka
Babylonya- Nabuchedanazaar II
Carthage- Hannibal or Hasdrubal
Morocco- Hassan II
Natives of North America- Sitting Bull
Latinoamericans- Simon Bolivar or San Martin
Nethelarnd- William the Orange
Israel- David


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Goodbye

[Alexander I]

Hmm. Considering how Civ always tries to have a "balance" between political correctness and popularity, I think in the expansion we are likely to have:

1. A Middle-Eastern Civ
2. A European Civ
3. An East Asian Civ
4. A Mesoamerican Civ
5. An African Civ
6. A North American Civ (Possibly)
7. A Repeat, Probably Middle East
8. Another Repeat, either Europe or Asia

That being the case, I think we can expect

1. Babylon or Sumer
2. Celts, Norse, Byzantines, Portugal or Netherlands
3. Korea or Khmer or Thai et al.
4. Mayans
5. Bantu or Zulu or Ethiopia
6. Sioux or Iroquois?
7. Turkey
8. See 2 and/or 3

That is my prediction.

Although I am not expecting them, I would like to see Israel, with David Ben Gurion and King David.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Natives of North America- Sitting Bull

You can't do that!! They were very seperate civs. Pick one (Sioux, Cherokee, Iriquois, etc.).

Sitting Bull was a Sioux, however, I'd love to see him refered to by his real name: Tatanka Iyotake

[pikachu22]

I really enjoyed playing the Byzantines , Carthagineans and Sumerians in Civ 3. Zulus definately deserve a spot, if only cos i knew i had a challenge whenever i saw them. The Byzantines had the dromon, which was the best uu ever (Greek Fire!) , The Sumerians are by many accounts the first civilization (at least fist with writing), and the carthagineans developed a vast empire, explored most of the coast of africa at a time when the romans hadnt been outside the mediterranean, and could have seriously altered history if they had beaten rome. Sioux would be good too, or Pueblo (pre columbian city builders of arizona).

[Sir Og]

I think that civs that had not killed at least a million people should not be in the game.
Deathtoll is an universal measure of a cvilisation's impact on history.

One million is a good round number. This would get us about 30 civ I guess.

[Sandman]

I'd rather have another Mesoamerican civ than artificially boosting up Sioux or Iroquois. Maya or Moche, perhaps? Finding a leader for them would be difficult, I suppose.