Expansion Pack: Civs that MUST be included

[Bill3000]

Babylonians!

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by Shaka II
The Celts or Scots, wearing kilts.

Perhaps the Woad Raider as the UU and Robert de Bruce as their leader. William Wallace could be a great person (military hero). The military hero gets used to produce a TBD number of units, of unique units, or fight as himself, with heroic strength.

Scotland has had many great scientists, inventors, writers, poets, so there shoud be no shortage of great people.

Indeed! I prefer Alexander III as leader though.

[Last Conformist]

Clearly we need a SE Asian civ. The Khmers would be my first choice, but Vietnamese or Thais would be nice too.

[MasterDave]

quote:
Banana was found guilty of eleven charges of sodomy, attempted sodomy and indecent assault

I heard that he is a-PEELing his conviction.


They should have the Zulus back, and the Babylonians at least.

[LordShiva]

What are my current trade deals?

Banana to Banana for...

[samspock]

It would be a huge mess getting rights holders to agree to them but a bunch of fictional civs:

All of the Lord of the Rings ones

The civs from the Belgariad/Malorean books

Star Trek

Battlestar Galactica

Stargate

You get the point. Maybe when you select one of these it modifies the religions to match the fictional universe that they belong to.

Not to threadjack but I would also like to see each civ (including the normal ones) have more than one unique unit. Perhaps one in another era other than the one it gets. That way civs like America could get something like The Minute Man (instead of musket) as well as the Navy Seal. Picking the out would be kind of interesting since most of the civs had their period in history then it was over or they started late in the world and are still going.

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by OssomTossom
I'd suggest the Danes or the Swedes, rather than a generic "Norse".

Danes because they used to control all of Scandinavia (the Kalmar Union) - their leader would of course be Margaret I.

Swedes since they were once a fairly major player in Europe. They'd be led by Gustavus Adolphus, right?

Norwegians, Finns and Icelanders would be out, I guess, since we were under someone else's control most of the time.

The Danish and Swedish powers of the middle ages had a very marginal impact on history compared to their ancestors. It's the Norsemen of the end of the first millenium that earned the place in history.

[Last Conformist]

Outside of the British islands, they didn't have more influence than any other barbarian raiders.

[johnmcd]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Outside of the British islands, they didn't have more influence than any other barbarian raiders.

Well, they did really. They raided and settled Northern France, they raided deep into Russia, they they were recruited as bodyguards by the Byaznatine Emperors, they took and held slices of the Italian Peninsula. They were the terror that kept the dark ages dark. That's not to say that the Avars and Bulgars and what have you in Central Europe didn't do a bang up job too but while Euopean coasts were pillaged and the people took a step backwards the Arab states marched relentlessly forward.

In any case, even allowing that the Norse raiders were not as critical as I believe there is no harm in having that dark age European barbarism a place in the pantheon.

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by samspock
It would be a huge mess getting rights holders to agree to them but a bunch of fictional civs:

All of the Lord of the Rings ones

The civs from the Belgariad/Malorean books

Star Trek

Battlestar Galactica

Stargate

You get the point. Maybe when you select one of these it modifies the religions to match the fictional universe that they belong to.

Not to threadjack but I would also like to see each civ (including the normal ones) have more than one unique unit. Perhaps one in another era other than the one it gets. That way civs like America could get something like The Minute Man (instead of musket) as well as the Navy Seal. Picking the out would be kind of interesting since most of the civs had their period in history then it was over or they started late in the world and are still going.

1) Not going to happen unless you mod it

2) I'm sure everyone would like that (double UUs), but sadly it would take an enormous amount of extra time and effort to implement. They may do it, however, in which case there will be much rejoicing.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by johnmcd


Well, they did really. They raided and settled Northern France, they raided deep into Russia, they they were recruited as bodyguards by the Byaznatine Emperors, they took and held slices of the Italian Peninsula. They were the terror that kept the dark ages dark. That's not to say that the Avars and Bulgars and what have you in Central Europe didn't do a bang up job too but while Euopean coasts were pillaged and the people took a step backwards the Arab states marched relentlessly forward.

You do have a point about Russia, but most of the rest is exaggerated or just plain wrong.

The Arab advance was over before the Scandinavians became a concern. The Normans were quickly frenchified - they guys who conquered Sicily and bits of Italy spoke Old French. The Varangians were just another set of barbarian mercenaries.

[Bkeela]

Babylonians and Zulus should be a must. I was watching a doco called Guns, Germs and Steel, which suggested that the Bantu were a fairly sophisticated quasi civilization in Africa.

[EternalSpark]

Clearly, the Cult of Planet should be in.

[Odin]

Norse:

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
You do have a point about Russia, but most of the rest is exaggerated or just plain wrong.

The Arab advance was over before the Scandinavians became a concern. The Normans were quickly frenchified - they guys who conquered Sicily and bits of Italy spoke Old French. The Varangians were just another set of barbarian mercenaries.

Just because the Normans became "Frenchified" doesn't mean that it isn't a success of the Norse. They added their own flavor to their area, and then, of course, permanently altered English and British history forever. Sicily was the wonder of Europe because Robert Guiscard and the Norman rule combined the culture of Italy, Greece, and the Arabs in a stunning display of tolerance that led to quite a rich and powerful state.

The Norse were far more influential than various Goths.