United Nations?

[MadDjinn]

Originally posted by Enigma_Nova
And it's the initial role of sovereign nations to tell the UN to go **** itself and continue warring.

yes, but that part could be tied to how the other civ's like those ppl...

if there are 3-4 civs that like the UN, and voted to stop a war, then the one who didn't stop could lose ties with the others, or some such negative response.

[Impaler[WrG]]

Diplomacy Modifiers

-1 "You defied the United Nations" (on a resolution I supported)

+1 "You defied the United Nations" (on a resolution I oposed)

I think that just about sums it up

[KeeperDave]

yes but then we should really change the UN building video to that of a cardboard box being assembled - it will tie in well with the new ideas i think

[mdbill]

Axxaer,

I've played a lot of Diplomatic and love it. In my experience the other civs don't give you any credit for matching civics unless you have the one civic they prefer.

STING,
There are lots of reasons to force or not force civics, for example, you don't need the pre-requisite tech

MadDjinn,
yes it would be more fun to have more options.

[mdbill]

Here's a good one.

Let's say you want to run Pacifism, but your religion makes everyone upset with you. Vote in Free religion. 5 turns later, Vote No on Free Religion. Then hope they don't all switch back. The problem is you can get stuck in Free Religion. I can't find a way to influence the vote (like you could in Alpha Centauri -- I find myself saying that a lot. SMAC was way ahead of it's time, but I digress).

[Enigma_Nova]

SMAC was a beta version. Ahead of its time in some concepts (Crawlers = win), but too buggy to really play all that well.
I know how to reload PBEMs without generating the reload message.

[djpsychonaut]

Originally posted by mdbill
STING,
There are lots of reasons to force or not force civics, for example, you don't need the pre-requisite tech

This brings up an interesting question.... what happens when you vote to enforce a particular civic, but not all of the nations have the tech pre-req for the civic? Do they drop down to one of the default civics?

I also think that the options for enforced civics should be whatever the Secretary General has as his/her civics. I don't understand why Environmentalism is the only Economy option. Take a look at the WTO, the world is forcing all nations to be more Free Market and not Green-friendly. There's much stronger support in the real world for the Free Market.

[Axxaer]

Originally posted by djpsychonaut
This brings up an interesting question.... what happens when you vote to enforce a particular civic, but not all of the nations have the tech pre-req for the civic? Do they drop down to one of the default civics?

No that's his point - you don't need the pre-req for the civic if it's forced upon you.

[mdbill]

One more detail about favorite civics...

You don't get the positive relationship bonus unless/until that leader also adopts his favorite civic. Sometimes they don't run their own favorite.

[Mr. President]

I don't like the diplomacy in Civ4 as much as in Alpha Centauri, including the U.N. Frankly, I think they were trying to hew too close to previous Civilization games' diplomacy things rather than, say, Alpha Centauri.

Originally posted by KeeperDave
yes I foresee a modern world with safe guards like the UN taken away, what a great place it would be...

What the hell is your problem? Take it to the O.T.

[Enigma_Nova]

We don't really need the U.N., it doesn't do quite as much as one would think.
Mind you, that situation may change as china becomes more powerful.

[KeeperDave]

Originally posted by Mr. President
What the hell is your problem? Take it to the O.T.

Trying to have a fun joke, and being optimistic that the UN makes a bit of difference towards one day our children seeing world peace, or the steps towards it

[trans123]

so.... i read and it seems that u mixed realilty with games man ..... reality sucks,...games not,....

so I read and dont get it, I still dont know how to win diplomatic, to succed that all resolutions are confirmed by majority? In previous version all you have to do is to be elected and u win the game,... now its just not ....

Well in games i can go to war with no particular reason i am playing virtualy, .... but dont like ICBM to be thrown on my cities in multi,...

[Enigma_Nova]

Originally posted by KeeperDave
Trying to have a fun joke, and being optimistic that the UN makes a bit of difference towards one day our children seeing world peace, or the steps towards it

World Peace is a crappy future and all the cynics know it.
Part of our human nature is conflict, and world peace we're either living in a big police state where we can't express that part of our culture or we've been deprived of that by surgery, drugs or selective breeding.

I'd consider World Peace to be very Dystopian. In fact, with the rising populations and great potential for a tech boom (if given funding) I'd say another world war would be good right about now.

"But what if you were one of the soldiers with friends dying blah blah ..."
... They're the minority. The Vocal minority. Everyone who actually benefits from the industrial and technological development during a war doesn't complain all that much, now do they?

[mdbill]

trans123, You don't need those resolutions. Just the one Diplomatic Victory vote like before.