Open Borders gripes!

[Cordelayne]

The Open Borders feature doesn't work right.

In the diplomacy screen, a green line is labeled "Open Borders," but it really just means peace. There should be a separate color to indicate whether an open borders agreement is in place.

In my current game, the Germans have asked for Open Borders repeatedly, and I always turn them down. In the negotiation screen it clearly indicates that Open Borders are still available as an item to discuss.

Nonetheless, the Germans keep sending galleons through my territory loaded with settlers and military units, without provoking automatic war. Unlike the caravel, there is no indication that galleons can violate borders. Is that a feature for galleons??

[Raion]

Yes, there are some military units that will not provoke a war, and I think that the Galleon is one of those.

There are only a couple of units like that or perhaps only the galleon, but it is there in the game to find out!

Oh, submarines are the other, but not Galleys though!

There may be more units but I would have to check again for to be sure!

[lokiju]

It says in the description they can go into rival territory. I would hope they can't land an army however.

[Raion]

Landing an army would not be peace then, and also I think missionaries can go into far away lands also, and such with those units, however that may all provoke a war in the end!

[padillah]

Ah, but can the units abord them? Or do they not count?

Tom P.

[Raion]

Why would the units aboard the ship count, unless they were landing, and then you would know that you were at War with that Civ now?

Or you may want to contact the other Civ! (also)

[Cordelayne]

Contrary to a post above, in the Civilopedia at least the Galleon is NOT listed as having the special ability of entering rival territory, whereas the Caravel [edited for typo: originally said Galley, which is silly] does.

Is the Galleon coded differently somewhere else? It must be, because in my game they are definitely ignoring the borders, while carrying military units.

Also, nobody commented on my observation that the diplomatic screen says you have an Open Borders agreement (green line) when in fact you're only at peace.

I like this game, but there are too many flaws like this.

[MattPilot]

Actually, most of you got it wrong.

Its neither the galleon nor the galley. Also missionaries can't cross.

There are only 3 units in this game that can. It's the submarine, the spy, and the caravel (sp?).

[Cordelayne]

Missionaries can cross rival borders if they're in a Caravel.

I agree with you that there are supposed to be only three units that can cross rival borders by themselves, but in practice it is more than that.

I nearly always play on archipelagoes, so this is a big bug for me.

[MattPilot]

SP or MP?

If SP, then don't do it. The AI doesn't do it, AFAIK.



But i have a Q - if you do cross boarders with a missionary on a caravel, and land him on the shore, will he get kicked out the next turn?

[Cabbagemeister]

You can't land him on the shore. You get the red "no movement" indicator, just like if you tried to walk onto a peak. Either that, or it asks if you want to declare war. I forget which.

[ixnay]

Originally posted by Cordelayne
Contrary to a post above, in the Civilopedia at least the Galleon is NOT listed as having the special ability of entering rival territory, whereas the Caravel [edited for typo: originally said Galley, which is silly] does.

Is the Galleon coded differently somewhere else? It must be, because in my game they are definitely ignoring the borders, while carrying military units.

Also, nobody commented on my observation that the diplomatic screen says you have an Open Borders agreement (green line) when in fact you're only at peace.

I like this game, but there are too many flaws like this.

If I don't have open borders with a civ, their line shows up as grey for me, from what I remember.

Also it was not possible for me to sail galleons into territory without open borders.

Landing a missionary from a caravel prompts you to declare war or not land.

[Cordelayne]

A lot of these responses are infuriating. I have observed that in my game enemy galleons regularly cross into my territory, even though I do not have an open borders agreement. I've observed this frequently and checked it carefully.

And yet people keep posting that it can't happen. WTF?!

[WolfEyes]

It might be an idea to post a screenshot of a rival galleon in within your borders without a declaration of war so we can see.

[Harovan]

Or yet better a savegame, to back up a claim which is obviously false.