The patch will come the next week

[ElConejo]

Re: Re: Bah!

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


So how come I've been able to log over 40 hours of game time without any significant problems so far?

Because the Civ-God loves you!
And currently I am living in Civ-Hell

[asleepathewheel]

Re: Well, shoot

Originally posted by Cordelayne
Well, shoot. I've been reading forums about Civilization for 14 years, and I understand that there were many bugs and patches for the first three versions. But I'm telling you, I've played hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Civ games, and I've won Civ2 and Civ3 at emperor level or better, and I just don't ever remember running into a bug that interfered with my play experience. I used to always be awestruck at the crystal-purity of the programming. I think Civ4 is an extremely interesting variation. But it's definitely a step backwards in terms of programming quality. I've been playing computer games as my main hobby since 1982! This first release of Civ4 is just ridiculously buggy. And I'm talking about bugs, not hardware or graphics issues.

I take it you never tried to use airpower in civ3, then. Or scientific golden ages in C3C. I forget which bugs were in civ1 and 2, I seem to recall there being a ai gold bug in 2, but could be mistaken, its been years since I played 2.

[AoA]

Civ1 didn't have bugs. You know they were 'undocumented features'.
Are games more buggy today or are we just more complainy now that we have the 'net? I know I am. Ah, to return to that simple life when I didn't know that Civ1's AI didn't build Wonders, they just got them for free.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Re: Re: Bah!

Originally posted by ElConejo
And currently I am living in Civ-Hell

No tears, please. It's a waste of good suffering.

[Tony Novello]

Re: Re: Well, shoot

Originally posted by asleepathewheel


I take it you never tried to use airpower in civ3, then. Or scientific golden ages in C3C. I forget which bugs were in civ1 and 2, I seem to recall there being a ai gold bug in 2, but could be mistaken, its been years since I played 2.

Civ I and II were pretty bug free. No issues that I can remember. In Civ III the Fighters didn't intercept, but the rest of the game played flawlessly. Civ IV is plain old buggy.

I personally have several bug problems from CTDs and Reboots to terrain graphics dropping in and out. From all the different problems I have read about I also get the feeling that some of the bugs might be unrelated to each other, but who knows?

I have read all the reviews and see no bugs mentioned in any of them which has made me wonder if the reviewers were sent a different build of the game then I have. This might also explain why some folks can play right out of the box with no issues what so ever while others are plaqued with all kids of bugs. I read one post where the poster bought 3 copies of the game and 2 of them were all buggy, but the third played like a charm. He didn't post the build numbers though.

grr... the game won't load right now so I can check and post my build number.

I'll get it tomorrow, off to bed now. Maybe I'll have a nice shiney patch to fix all my woes when I get home from work tomorrow.

[Ramsses]

Originally posted by ElConejo


Do you mind posting specs?

I have an Acer 1522 WLMi with an AMD Athlon64 3000+ processor and a NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5700 with the newest ForceWare drivers (I just got the desktop drivers and tweaked the .inf file so that the laptop cards are accepted). Oh yes, I have 512 MB of RAM.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by Ramsses


I have an Acer 1522 WLMi with an AMD Athlon64 3000+ processor and a NVIDIA GeForce FX Go 5700 with the newest ForceWare drivers (I just got the desktop drivers and tweaked the .inf file so that the laptop cards are accepted). Oh yes, I have 512 MB of RAM.

Thanks alot!

Hope your enjoying Civ4.......you lucky bum...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by LzPrst
i find it depressing that the game needs a patch less than a week after it has hit the stores. couldnt they have waited another week and added the patch before release? greedy corporates

Remember that they moved the relase date up a whole month. No doubt that extra month of play testing would have exposed most of the items in this patch.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Aro
two hundred beta-testers or so just can't find all bugs. They need us, freaking players...
I want the patch. In fact, I feel less depressed now...

It seems like one of the 200 play testers could have found the bug which prevents you from using the mouse's scroll wheel in the MP lobby. If you've ever had to scroll then you'd have known about this bug. Sure, you can work around it with the arrow keys but it is still a glaringly obvious bug.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by Oerdin


It seems like one of the 200 play testers could have found the bug which prevents you from using the mouse's scroll wheel in the MP lobby. If you've ever had to scroll then you'd have known about this bug. Sure, you can work around it with the arrow keys but it is still a glaringly obvious bug.

Playing the role of the devils advocate, perhaps during the test there wasnt more than a half dozen people in the lobby at once?

[baboon]

Originally posted by Muddeh
I have to say, I find the state that the game was released in to be shocking.

I find it shocking when people blame their own problems to Firaxis.

[SKIPICUS]

Originally posted by baboon


I find it shocking when people blame their own problems to Firaxis.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the 100's of people with the proper computer set up for this game being hurt by the bugs in the game .
Its the games fault and if you don't see that you are not looking at the pages and pages of people explaining that very thing.

[AEdwild]

Re: Bah!

Originally posted by Cordelayne
The fanboys on this thread are ridiculous. Yes, Civ is the all time greatest game. Yes, it's the ONLY game that has had me and my wife going back to it over and over and over.

But this version, for all the cool changes, is a programming swamp. lt has MANY more bugs than all the predecessors. It is NOT really playable (and I say that having logged over 20 hours on it since it came out recently). Civ III, at the moment, is superior.

I have no hopes that one patch will fix this kludgy programming. But no doubt I'll keep playing.

However, I keep thinking about Master of Orion III, which took a great franchise, used crummy programming and tried to throw in a million radical changes, and ended up with unplayable crap.

CivIV is still holding my interest. But I'm starting to get extremely annoyed at the bugs. I find a new bug every hour.
I can't remember ever seeing a single bug in Civ 1, 2, or 3.

I've had over 40 hours play, am not a fanboy, and have not had any bugs... at least none that I noticed. What bugs are you all finding?

[Mayfield]

They have always planned on a later patch to add the Pit Boss to MP games, so an early patch is no surprise.

Originally posted by SKIPICUS


Apparently you haven't been paying attention to the 100's of people with the proper computer set up for this game being hurt by the bugs in the game .
Its the games fault and if you don't see that you are not looking at the pages and pages of people explaining that very thing.

100's out of 100,000's of sales do not make a buggy release.

And this is a 3D PC game, did you:

#1. Update all your drivers?
#2. Defrag your HD?
#3. Check to make sure you have enough memory/virtual memory?
#4. Is your Vid card supported? (3D games with T&L are very vid card demanding)

The only problems I have had are graphical glitches (like boats sailing at a 45 degree angle). Hopefully these and the lack of a Pit Boss will be addressed.

[Arrian]

A couple of things:

- Once I got my video driver updated, I have had no show-stopper bugs, and I've played probably 50-60 hours... maybe more, I forget

- It seems to me that no matter how many testers you have, how much time you have and how much money you have, there will be bugs in computer programs. I don't really understand why, not being a programmer, but it just seems that way. My wife works in our (not our as in we own!) company's IT department. Every few months they have a "version" where they update all manner of systems. And every single time, one or more things "blow up." Every time. It sucks, it's not right, but it just keeps on happening.

And as I recall, CivIII was "the buggiest game ever" when it came out, too. CivII, of course, had been perfect and oh my god what did they do? CivIII wasn't really "right" until patch 1.17, IIRC. Both expansions also needed extensive patching.

It sucks, I agree.

-Arrian