Class-Action Lawsuit Anyone?

[DKDiveDude]

Am I, and hundreds of others, asking too much by trusting that a game that has been in the development for years will work on our computers? How about actually starting the game?

I have an AMD 3200 cpu, 1GB memory, 1TB+ hard drive storage on 5 drives, ATI 9800 and latest driver, Windows XP Professional service pack 2, Net 1.1, the DirectX 9.0c that was included with the game. All-in-all more than enough for meeting their minimum, and even recommended requirements!

At first I could not even get past the initial options screens without a crash, resulting in strange noises coming through my speakers from my soundcard. I then put graphics setting to low, and then I was able go past and click "Ok" on the last options screen, waiting for the map to build, holding my breath each try, only to be met with a black screen.

Ok I then went to the official website, saw the "Initialization Issues with ATI Graphics Card" link and followed their instructions, which by the way was NOT CORRECT for my computer!?! More specifically at one step 15) it tell you to "Accept and allow the DirectX installation to proceed.". But hey you incompetent morons, that part is NOT appearing since you in step 7) told me to install it back there!?! Geez!!! Anyways I then went to Windows Explorer and installed it manually AGAIN, just to be sure, and then proceeded with the Civ 4 Express installation, started the game, exited on the game error, installed the ATI drivers and rebooted. The game now crashes right after the last options screen, again with strange noises from the soundcard. Started the game again, set graphics settings to low, exited, restarted, same crash, same place!

Ok tried second part of their so called "fix" my freaking bootie. EXACTLY same thing! Same crash! Same place! Same strange noises! No more black map or whatever it was as I had the very first time I installed the game.

So that is Civilization 4? I can't even get past the options screens, not even speaking about seeing the game map. Completing a single turn is now a dream! And Civilization 4 is now a nightmare!

People don't buy this crap! And to my fellow naive suckers, who have been screwed in their butts by Firaxis: Let's all get together with a Class-Action suit! Seriously! Compensation for hours spent trying to get this piece of amateur crap to work, lost sleep, stress, heart problems, nerve pills, etc. Now it is time to teach these software companies, who cares not about their product, have no self esteem, that we are NOT taking their freaking buggy software anymore!!! Sure the intro video was nice, but the point is that I will only watch it once, and the time spend making it could have been spent testing the game on various machines and various graphic cards, including ATI!!! Speaking of which is there a poll somewhere as to how many people this works for, and how many it does not? Plus what graphic card they have?

The software developers and beta testers working at Firaxis are obviously incompetent people that should be ashamed of themselves!

Oh yeah to top it of, I got the French Tech Tree too, plus the colors on keyboard template, green and blue are so close to each other that unless you have the right light, it is hard to tell the difference.

I am soooo disappointed! Furious even, how can companies, not just Firaxis, with respect for themselves release such crap? Just incomprehensible! Let’s sue their butts!


By the way I love strategy games, and also bought the collectors edition of Age of Empires, which works fine!!!


As for the Civ 4 logs there are some here, and the rest in the next two posts, with the interesting part being this:

resmgr.log
RESMGR: Texture PlayerColor01.tga failed to load
RESMGR: Texture PlayerColor02.tga failed to load


My Civ 4 logs:

app.log
[208.750] CvApp::OnActivate

audio.log
[205.671] Audio Manager: Loading Audio Defines file XML\Audio\AudioDefines.xml...
[205.843] Audio Manager: Successfully loaded Audio Defines file XML\Audio\AudioDefines.xml.
[205.859] Audio Manager: Loading 2D Scripts file XML\Audio\Audio2DScripts.xml...
[206.093] Audio Manager: Successfully loaded 2D scripts file XML\Audio\Audio2DScripts.xml.
[206.109] Audio Manager: Loading 3D Scripts file XML\Audio\Audio3DScripts.xml...
[206.312] Audio Manager: Successfully loaded 3D scripts file XML\Audio\Audio3DScripts.xml.
[206.343] Audio Manager: Successfully loaded Soundscape scripts file XML\Audio\AudioSoundscapeScripts.xml.
[206.343] Audio Manager: Initializing
[206.343] Audio Manager: Attempting to initialize the audio system.
[206.343] Audio System: Initializing Miles Audio System...
[206.343] Audio System: redistribution directory: .\Miles\win32
[206.343] Audio System: Starting Miles.
[206.343] Audio System: Opening the sound driver.
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Total HW Bytes: 0
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Max Contiguous Free HW Bytes: 0
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Total HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Static HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Streaming HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Total Mixing HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Static Mixing HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: CAPS: Streaming Mixing HW 3D Buffers: 64
[206.359] Audio System: SPEAKER CONFIG:
[206.359] Stereo
[206.359] Audio System: Initializing base audio system...
[206.359] Audio System: Calculating and distributing voices.
[206.359] Audio System: VOICES: Total: 128
[206.359] Audio System: VOICES: Streams: 10
[206.359] Audio System: VOICES: 2D: 54
[206.359] Audio System: VOICES: 3D: 64
[206.359] Audio System: Initializing 2D samples...
[206.359] Audio System: Successfully initialized 2D samples.
[206.359] Audio System: Initializing 3D samples...
[206.359] Audio System: Successfully initialized 3D samples.
[206.359] Audio System: Successfully initialized base audio system.
[206.359] Audio System: Successfully initialized Miles Audio System.
[206.359] AudioManager: Successfully initialized the audio system.
[206.359] AudioManager: Successfully initialized the audio manager.

init.log
[205.375] DBG: FILE Cat Init
[205.562] DBG: Using XML cache
[205.562] DBG: Game Init
[205.562] DBG: Multiplayer Init
[205.671] DBG: Audio Init
[206.359] DBG: ArtFileMgr Init
[206.375] DBG: Python Init
[208.453] VERSION: CIV Version: 0
[208.453] VERSION: Save Version: 100
[208.453] DBG: Input Init
[208.453] DBG: Engine Init
[209.437] DBG: Engine: Axis Engine Initialized
[209.437] DBG: Engine: Scene Graph Initialized
[209.531] DBG: Engine: Shaders Initialized
[209.546] DBG: Engine: Scene Lights Initialized
[209.546] DBG: Music Start
[209.562] DBG: Font Init
[209.625] DBG: Total Frame MS: 4491.0 FPS: 000 Min:000 Max:000 Avg:000 SampleFilter:10.000000
Time : Ave : Min% : Max% : Num : Profile Name
-----------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
[209.625] DBG: Begin MenuManager
[245.656] DBG: Engine: Camera Initialized
[260.578] DBG: SyncRandSeed is 217325, MapRandSeed is 217325

initmgr.log
[242.796] CvInitMgr::GameCoreNew()
[259.265] InitMgr elapsed time = 15.84
[259.296] DBG: Total Frame MS: 15876.0 FPS: 000 Min:000 Max:000 Avg:000 SampleFilter:0.010000
Time : Ave : Min% : Max% : Num : Profile Name
-----------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
[259.296] RELEASE build, World size=Standard


legacy.log shows hundreds of lines the same, then three lines different:
[Jason] Using old cut tree: Art/Terrain/Routes/Rivers/River00a.nif_clone
[Jason] Using old cut tree: Art/Terrain/Routes/Rivers/River00a.nif_clone
[Jason] Using old cut tree: (null)
[Jason] Using old cut tree: (null)
[Jason] Using old cut tree: (null)
[Jason] Using old cut tree: (null)

LSystem.log
Initial System for XML/Buildings/CIV4CityLSystem.xml:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nodes:
Emergency_Overflow: [w=0.5 h=0.5] [0 art, 1 prods]
Leaf_1x1: [w=1.0 h=1.0] [34 art, 0 prods]
Node_2x2: [w=2.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 6 prods]
Node_3x1: [w=3.0 h=1.0] [0 art, 5 prods]
Node_6x6: [w=6.0 h=6.0] [0 art, 9 prods]
EONode: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [0 art, 5 prods]
Leaf_2x1: [w=2.0 h=1.0] [51 art, 0 prods]
Node_3x2: [w=3.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
Node_4x1: [w=4.0 h=1.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
Leaf_2x2: [w=2.0 h=2.0] [36 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_3x1: [w=3.0 h=1.0] [4 art, 0 prods]
Node_16x16: [w=16.0 h=16.0] [0 art, 3 prods]
Node_3x3: [w=3.0 h=3.0] [0 art, 3 prods]
Node_4x2: [w=4.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 5 prods]
CITY_ROOT: [w=16.0 h=16.0] [0 art, 1 prods]
Leaf_3x2: [w=3.0 h=2.0] [20 art, 0 prods]
Node_2x1: [w=2.0 h=1.0] [0 art, 3 prods]
Node_5x6: [w=5.0 h=6.0] [0 art, 1 prods]
Node_6x5: [w=6.0 h=5.0] [0 art, 6 prods]
BuildingsUsingCustomLayoutEngines: [w=1.0 h=1.0] [8 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_3x3: [w=3.0 h=3.0] [16 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_4x2: [w=4.0 h=2.0] [11 art, 0 prods]
Node_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [0 art, 3 prods]
Node_6x2: [w=6.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
Node_8x8: [w=8.0 h=8.0] [0 art, 1 prods]
Leaf_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [6 art, 0 prods]
Node_5x5: [w=5.0 h=5.0] [0 art, 6 prods]
Node_8x2: [w=8.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 1 prods]

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Initial System for XML/Buildings/CIV4PlotLSystem.xml:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nodes:
BLeaf_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [2 art, 0 prods]
GLeaf_2x1: [w=2.0 h=1.0] [4 art, 0 prods]
Node_2x2: [w=2.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
Node_6x6: [w=6.0 h=6.0] [0 art, 9 prods]
GLeaf_2x2: [w=2.0 h=2.0] [4 art, 0 prods]
Node_3x2: [w=3.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 3 prods]
PLOT_ROOT: [w=12.0 h=12.0] [0 art, 8 prods]
Water_Worked_4x4: [w=6.0 h=6.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
BLeaf_1x1: [w=1.0 h=1.0] [30 art, 0 prods]
GLeaf_3x2: [w=3.0 h=2.0] [4 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_Water_Worked_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [1 art, 0 prods]
Node_12x12: [w=12.0 h=12.0] [0 art, 10 prods]
Node_4x2: [w=4.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 7 prods]
BLeaf_2x1: [w=2.0 h=1.0] [50 art, 0 prods]
BLeaf_4x3: [w=6.0 h=6.0] [1 art, 0 prods]
GLeaf_4x2: [w=4.0 h=2.0] [4 art, 0 prods]
GNode_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [0 art, 1 prods]
Leaf_Farm_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [10 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_LandImprovement_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [11 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_Water_Improvement_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [2 art, 0 prods]
Node_2x1: [w=2.0 h=1.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
BLeaf_2x2: [w=2.0 h=2.0] [36 art, 0 prods]
Farm_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.2] [0 art, 1 prods]
Node_4x4: [w=4.0 h=4.0] [0 art, 5 prods]
Node_6x2: [w=6.0 h=2.0] [0 art, 4 prods]
BLeaf_3x2: [w=3.0 h=2.0] [37 art, 0 prods]
Leaf_Farm_1x1: [w=1.0 h=1.0] [7 art, 0 prods]
BLeaf_4x2: [w=4.0 h=2.0] [7 art, 0 prods]


network-2056_11-2-2005_17-41-38.txt
[228.296] DBG: HOSTING a SINGLEPLAYER, NEW, LAN game!
[228.296] DBG: Adding active connection-level player info for NetID 0
[228.390] DBG: Adding NetID 0 to Portal!
[228.421] DBG: Got NetworkReady from NetID 0
[228.421] DBG: Checking if we're connect complete! PeersReady=yes :: AlreadyComplete=no
[228.421] DBG: Got our last outstanding network ready message! Sending Version Verification! (m_bConnectComplete=true)
[228.421] DBG: Got Verify Version message from NetID 0!
[228.421] DBG: Assigning AppID 0 to NetID 0!
[228.468] DBG: Received ID assignment message! Our AppID = 0!
[228.468] DBG: Sending our player info to everyone else
[228.468] DBG: Sending our AppID assignment (ID=0) to everyone else
[228.781] DBG: Received player ID Assignment!
AppID=0
NetID=0
[259.312] DBG: Sending sync start message everyone
[259.312] DBG: Got a sync start from NetID 0

[DKDiveDude]

Logs part 2:

PythonDbg.log
Initializing Python
1. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\email
2. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\encodings
3. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx
4. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\build
5. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib
6. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\py
7. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\tools
8. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\colourchooser
9. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\editor
10. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\floatcanvas
11. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\masked
12. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\mixins
13. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\lib\ogl
14. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\py\tests
15. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\wx\tools\XRCed
16. Using Python sys path: ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM
sys.path =

['ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\email', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\encodings', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\build', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\py', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\tools', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\colourchooser', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\editor', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\floatcanvas', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\masked', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\mixins', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\ogl', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\py\\tests', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\tools\\XRCed', 'ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM']


sys.modules =

{'zipimport': , 'signal': , '__builtin__': , 'sys': , '__main__': , 'exceptions': , 'CvPythonExtensions': }


sys.builtin_module_names =

('CvPythonExtensions', '__builtin__', '__main__', '_bisect', '_codecs', '_codecs_cn', '_codecs_hk', '_codecs_iso2022', '_codecs_jp', '_codecs_kr', '_codecs_tw', '_csv', '_heapq', '_hotshot', '_locale', '_multibytecodec', '_random', '_sre', '_subprocess', '_symtable', '_weakref', '_winreg', 'array', 'audioop', 'binascii', 'cPickle', 'cStringIO', 'cmath', 'collections', 'datetime', 'errno', 'exceptions', 'gc', 'imageop', 'imp', 'itertools', 'marshal', 'math', 'md5', 'mmap', 'msvcrt', 'nt', 'operator', 'parser', 'regex', 'rgbimg', 'sha', 'signal', 'strop', 'struct', 'sys', 'thread', 'time', 'xxsubtype', 'zipimport')

1. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\screens\
2. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\
3. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\entrypoints\
4. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\pywb\
5. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\pyhelper\
6. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\pitboss\
7. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\pyunit\
8. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs: python\_debugtools\
9. Using Civ moduleSearchDirs:
EntryPoint module:cvgameinterface
EntryPoint module:cvmapscriptinterface
EntryPoint module:cvunitcontrolinterface
EntryPoint module:cvdiplomacyinterface
EntryPoint module:cvoptionsscreencallbackinterface
EntryPoint module:cvscreensinterface
EntryPoint module:cvwbinterface
EntryPoint module:cvdebuginterface
EntryPoint module:cvpopupinterface
EntryPoint module:cvscreenutilsinterface
EntryPoint modulebmain
EntryPoint module:cvappinterface
EntryPoint module:cveventinterface
EntryPoint module:cvtranslator
EntryPoint module:islands
EntryPoint module:great_plains
EntryPoint module:continents
EntryPoint module:archipelago
EntryPoint module:wheel
EntryPoint module:inland_sea
EntryPoint module:mirror
EntryPoint moduleasis
EntryPoint moduleangaea
EntryPoint module:hub
EntryPoint module:balanced
EntryPoint module:maze
EntryPoint module:ice_age
EntryPoint module:custom_continents
EntryPoint module:ring
EntryPoint module:team_battleground
EntryPoint module:highlands
EntryPoint module:terra
EntryPoint module:lakes
EntryPoint module:tilted_axis
load_module CvEventInterface

load_module CvUtil

load_module traceback

load_module CvEventManager

load_module CvScreensInterface

load_module CvMainInterface

load_module ScreenInput

load_module CvScreenEnums

load_module time

load_module CvDomesticAdvisor

load_module PyHelpers

load_module CvTechChooser

load_module CvForeignAdvisor

load_module math

load_module CvMilitaryAdvisor

load_module CvFinanceAdvisor

load_module CvReligionScreen

load_module CvCivicsScreen

load_module string

load_module CvVictoryScreen

load_module CvOptionsScreen

load_module CvReplayScreen

load_module CvHallOfFameScreen

load_module CvDanQuayle

load_module CvGameUtils

load_module CvUnVictoryScreen

load_module CvDawnOfMan

load_module CvTechSplashScreen

load_module CvTopCivs

load_module random

load_module CvInfoScreen

load_module CvIntroMovieScreen

load_module CvVictoryMovieScreen

load_module CvWonderMovieScreen

load_module CvEraMovieScreen

load_module CvPediaMain

load_module CvPediaScreen

load_module CvScreen

load_module CvPediaTech

load_module CvPediaUnit

load_module CvPediaBuilding

load_module CvPediaPromotion

load_module CvPediaUnitChart

load_module CvPediaBonus

load_module CvPediaTerrain

load_module CvPediaFeature

load_module CvPediaImprovement

load_module CvPediaCivic

load_module CvPediaCivilization

load_module CvPediaLeader

load_module CvPediaSpecialist

load_module CvPediaHistory

load_module CvPediaProject

load_module CvPediaReligion

load_module CvWorldBuilderScreen

load_module Popup

load_module CvWorldBuilderDiplomacyScreen

load_module CvDebugTools

load_module CvDebugInfoScreen

load_module CvMapGeneratorUtil

load_module CvGFCScreen

load_module CvPopupInterface

load_module CvScreenUtilsInterface

load_module CvScreenUtils

load_module CvWBPopups

load_module CvCameraControls

load_module CvAdvisorUtils

PY:OnInit
load_module CvAppInterface

load_module CvTranslator

8 SCREEN TURNED ON

PLAY

Assets/Art/Movies/Intros/2KG_NTSC.bik

MS 1

LOGO

MS 2

PLAY

Assets/Art/Movies/Intros/intro.bik

load_module CvMapScriptInterface

load_module Continents

load_module Archipelago

load_module Balanced

load_module Custom_Continents

load_module Great_Plains

load_module Highlands

load_module Hub

load_module Ice_Age

load_module Inland_Sea

load_module Islands

load_module Lakes

load_module Maze

load_module Mirror

load_module Oasis

load_module Pangaea

load_module Ring

load_module Team_Battleground

load_module Terra

load_module Tilted_Axis

load_module Wheel

PY:Player 0's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 1's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 2's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 3's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 4's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 5's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 6's alive status set to: 1
PY:Player 18's alive status set to: 1
load_module encodings

load_module encodings.latin_1

8500 - gold

8501 - research

8502 - culture

8483 - food

8484 - production

8485 - commerce

8525 - judaism

8526 - judaism

8527 - christianity

8528 - christianity

8529 - islam

8530 - islam

8531 - hinduism

8532 - hinduism

8533 - buddhism

8534 - buddhism

8535 - confucianism

8536 - confucianism

8537 - taoism

8538 - taoism

3 SCREEN TURNED ON

99 SCREEN TURNED ON

load_module CvWBInterface

load_module CvWBDesc

load_module array

PY:saveDesc:C:\Documents and Settings\DKDiveDude\My Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Saves\WorldBuilder\WBQuickSave, curDir:C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4
WBSave done

PY:OnPreSave
load_module pickle

PY:saveDesc:C:\Documents and Settings\DKDiveDude\My Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Saves\WorldBuilder\WBAutoSave, curDir:C:\Program Files\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4
WBSave done

load_module CvGameInterface

PY:Player 18's alive status set to: 0

[DKDiveDude]

Logs part 3:

PythonErr.log is blank

resmgr.log
RESMGR: Texture PlayerColor01.tga failed to load
RESMGR: Texture PlayerColor02.tga failed to load

xml.log
[207.265] Read GobalDefines from cache
[207.265] Read GobalDefines from cache
[207.343] Read GlobalText from cache
[207.343] Loading XML file XML\GlobalTypes.xml
[207.359] Load XML file XML\GlobalTypes.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/AnimationOperatorTypes/AnimationOperatorType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/FunctionTypes/FunctionType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/FlavorTypes/FlavorType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/ArtStyleTypes/ArtStyleType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/CitySizeTypes/CitySizeType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/ContactTypes/ContactType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/DiplomacyPowerTypes/DiplomacyPowerType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/AutomateTypes/AutomateType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/DirectionTypes/DirectionType
[207.359] SetGlobalStringArray Civ4Types/FootstepAudioTypes/FootstepAudioType
[207.359] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Interface.xml
[207.375] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Interface.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.375] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/InterfaceArtInfos/InterfaceArtInfo)
[207.390] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Movie.xml
[207.390] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Movie.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.390] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/MovieArtInfos/MovieArtInfo)
[207.406] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Misc.xml
[207.406] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Misc.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.406] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/MiscArtInfos/MiscArtInfo)
[207.406] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Unit.xml
[207.421] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Unit.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.421] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/UnitArtInfos/UnitArtInfo)
[207.453] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Building.xml
[207.453] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Building.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.453] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/BuildingArtInfos/BuildingArtInfo)
[207.468] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Civilization.xml
[207.468] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Civilization.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.468] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/CivilizationArtInfos/CivilizationArtInfo)
[207.468] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Leaderhead.xml
[207.468] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Leaderhead.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.468] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/LeaderheadArtInfos/LeaderheadArtInfo)
[207.484] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Bonus.xml
[207.484] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Bonus.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.484] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/BonusArtInfos/BonusArtInfo)
[207.484] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Improvement.xml
[207.484] Load XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Improvement.xml SUCCEEDED
[207.484] SetGlobalClassInfo (Civ4ArtDefines/ImprovementArtInfos/ImprovementArtInfo)
[207.500] Loading XML file XML\Art/CIV4ArtDefines_Terrain.xml
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[Capt Dizle]

Okay, chill. No one has been more critical of Firaxis than I (aka jimmytrick) over the years. But they will issue a patch. Veteran Firaxis watchers like myself weren't silly enough to purchase right away. Chalk it up to experience.

Most of the blame on the hardware problems probably belong to their partners, who 1) probably pushed for cutting edge graphics and 2) pushed for an early release due to other issues. If this is true, its not Firaxis' fault that the game sux out of the box.

This is just part of the trend that is pushing everything to gaming platforms. Heck, at this point, even I am willing to get on that bandwagon. It seems to me a better option. I shouldn't have to upgrade my computer to play games, it would probably be more sensible and less expensive if everyone just went to game platforms for gaming.

[DKDiveDude]

Stop right there, hold your horses!

quote: "Chill they will issue a patch"

OMFG!

Halloooo! The game SHOULD work when you buy it! Period! Right off the bat!

Patches should be to tweak game play, and perhaps fix small bugs!

This product is merely fancy cardboard and plastic that is is totally unusable by many, or perhaps most ATI graphics owners!

[Dr,ape]

it works for most people... even with AMD cpus.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by DKDiveDude
Halloooo! The game SHOULD work when you buy it! Period! Right off the bat!

Patches should be to tweak game play, and perhaps fix small bugs!

This PC games thing must be new to you? That, or you haven't bought a new game for the past five to ten years.

This product is merely fancy cardboard and plastic that is is totally unusable by many, or perhaps most ATI graphics owners!

The minority is rather vocal, but I have hard time believing most people using ATI cards are not able to play.

[asleepathewheel]

I take it this was your first PC game purchase. Welcome aboard

[kimmygibler]

I am a class action lawyer (although not in the USA) and I must say that there is no chance of a succesful class action yet. If the following conditions are met, then go ahead:

- No patch is able to fix the problem
- The problem is widespread among many people and it is the same problem for all of them
- The problem is identified and can be pinpointed to certain comps and specs
- No indication that the company will fix the problem
- The company refuses to give you your money back

[DKDiveDude]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia

This PC games thing must be new to you? That, or you haven't bought a new game for the past five to ten years.

The minority is rather vocal, but I have hard time believing most people using ATI cards are not able to play.

No PC games are not new, on the contrary I bought and played my first games on the Commodore 64 twenty years ago, It is however the first time I experienced a game that did not work at all off the self.

Are you insinuating that it is al l right that games from the past 5 to 10 years has serious flaws right off the bat?

Sorry as a consumer advocate I say it is NOT all right! And we, the customers should make these seemingly careless companies, bypassing needed testtime for a dollar deadline, know that we are not going to take it - anymore

[powder]

wow...a class action.....some people need help..lots of it!!!

Just for your info....i have an ati card and you know what? i didn't had anything to do for it to work...it just work perfectly the very first time..no patch nor any other program were use...

Of course before installing the new catalyst i use their great little remover program (wich is a must cause windows tend to leave files..)....after that it was a piece of cake..the new catalyst...instal civ 4..install direct 9x and voila!!!!!

Apart from the slugginess most people find after exiting the game it work perfect...plus it'S an amazing game...

But hey don't read me..by all mean go back to the store and get your money back!!!oh wait they won'T!!!Hell start a lawsuit against them also!!!!

[DKDiveDude]

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Of course before installing the new catalyst i use their great little remover program (wich is a must cause windows tend to leave files..)....after that it was a piece of cake..the new catalyst...instal civ 4..install direct 9x and voila!!!!!

Apart from the slugginess most people find after exiting the game it work perfect...plus it'S an amazing game...

I forgot to mention, I used ATI's uninstaller too.

And I am so jealous that you are able to play the game! Please put in 8 hours off game time for me

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by DKDiveDude

No PC games are not new, on the contrary I bought and played my first games on the Commodore 64 twenty years ago, It is however the first time I experienced a game that did not work at all off the self.

Are you insinuating that it is al l right that games from the past 5 to 10 years has serious flaws right off the bat?

I'm only insinuating that it has become an industry standard to release games with serious flaws on some systems and fix the flaws later on in a patch. I've been burned by this practice myself a few times. The save/load bug that ruins the AI in RTW springs to mind - I had to wait over a year to have it fixed.

OTOH, with hardware compatibility these "serious flaws" are at least understandable, since there is a myriad of possible setups depending on the OS, the drivers and the individual components themselves.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by DKDiveDude
No PC games are not new, on the contrary I bought and played my first games on the Commodore 64 twenty years ago, It is however the first time I experienced a game that did not work at all off the self.

You are very lucky then, I've had conflicts with games on every pc system I've ever owned.

Originally posted by DKDiveDude
Are you insinuating that it is al l right that games from the past 5 to 10 years has serious flaws right off the bat?

No, its not alright, but when you have a track record of patches like Firaxis does, then you shouldn't get bent out of shape until and unless the developer abandons the game, ala CTP2.

Originally posted by DKDiveDude
Sorry as a consumer advocate I say it is NOT all right! And we, the customers should make these seemingly careless companies, bypassing needed testtime for a dollar deadline, know that we are not going to take it - anymore

As a game player, I'm really loving this game, and I really hate that it doesn't work right on a minority of systems, but that's the problem with pc gaming in general Let's hope there is a patchable solution for your hardware conflicts.

[vee4473]

Originally posted by Capt Dizle
I shouldn't have to upgrade my computer to play games,

I will admit that the games minimum specs were perhaps a bit optimistic and the game has performance bugs, but do you really expect your pooter to never need an upgrade?

If new technology rears its head that will enhance gameplay, then by all means include it in the game if reasonable ... (Of course with highly advertised requirements so that those who can't play it won't waste their money).