Apolyton Weekly Survey III: New Feautures

[Adagio]

Originally posted by lockstep
Civics (...) but I know how I missed SMAC's social engineering when I played Civ3.

This is one of the features I was missing the most in Civ3... after I discovered SE in SMAC (I didn't play SMAC until a couple years after the release of Civ3)

[AeonOfTime]

@Xorbon: And, I hope anarchy has been toned-down a lot from Civ 3.

I never cared much for that either, but after reinstalling Civ2 lately and playing a game I must say I prefer the way Civ3 handles government changes. In that game I changed from monarchy to republic, and the turn the new government was in place, I lost all my settlers and most of my units - I had completely forgotten about that... in Civ2 when a city cannot support a unit it is simply disbanded.

I think the civics are a good thing - it allows for much more customization than single governments, which makes the choice also a little more personal.

[playshogi]

Originally posted by Tiberius
I have to say that I really agree with Maquiladora on this one. If moddability turns out to be civ4's best feature, it means that the vanilla game would really suck and it needs other people to make it good.

It's not that vanilla civ will be bad. I think it will be OK, but what is wrong with "other people" making it great?

[LDiCesare]

Moddability isn't just useful to repair a broken game (CtP2), it's also useful to create scenarios (Civ2). Civ2 ToT has a much more powerful scripting language than Civ2 and the corresponding scenarios are better. So moddability means ability to get mods, but also scenarios.

[Addled Platypus]

improved MP

especially with the way saves are handled

more like CTP

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by playshogi

It's not that vanilla civ will be bad. I think it will be OK, but what is wrong with "other people" making it great?

Id rather all the major parts of the game work perfectly (including MP), this builds the community and people stay with the game, then you start to think about moddability.

If a core component of the game is found to be broken after the patching process, that modding cant repair, what you have is a broken game, great modding, but a very small audience.

I dont expect a situation similar to CtP2, (that was a unique situation involving the company), but youve got to wish for a perfect base before you think about modding IMO.

[Zoid]

I would like to be able to say "Because of the modding capabilities", but I know I probably will be to lazy to do that. So I voted for the reduced MM.

[lockstep]

Having read the new Gamespot preview, "death of ICS" (by introducing city maintenance costs) is also a feature I'll be very happy about.

[Kataphraktoi]

ICS?dead? right,next your gonna tell me they found a garden gnome on pluto

[GeoModder]

I suspect if you're capable of extorting quite an amount of gold from another civ each turn you could fund an ICS... how many times is that gonna happen?

[ffitzp]

Some time ago, I e-mailed with the idea that Unit properties might change with *where* they are. FX, under Fedual Type Govts., Units are free within your borders, but cost outside them.

Guerillas move extra, and or evade, but only within your borders.

Conscripts improve more easily within, Crusaders outside your borders.

The system alreday tracks Units for war weariness. Why not for other properties?

A major bugbear is the fact that ship to ship actions do not allow for multiple attacks.

A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time.

A Battleship, which in 20 mniutes can detroy dozens of smaller craft, sinks a solitary destoyer and then watches as a whole fleet sails away.

[Kataphraktoi]

A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time.

A Battleship, which in 20 mniutes can detroy dozens of smaller craft, sinks a solitary destoyer and then watches as a whole fleet sails away.

install the Naval Mod

people will mod these defincies away,slowly. i dont expect to play the game much at all,in its original version

[Jaybe]

A modern destroyer fights a fleet of galleys. Instead of scattering them, it all has to be one at a time.

Back in the days of naval units having low movement points, I gave post-ironclad combat ships BLITZ. Worked quite well.

But I play Rhye's of Civ now, and the naval movement points are through the roof (30+ in industrial).

[Urban Ranger]

I would rather vote for something such as "a spanking new population model" or "a completely revised tech advancement model."

However, it appears that modding is the thing to settle for on the list.

Originally posted by Cataphract887
people will mod these defincies away,slowly. i dont expect to play the game much at all,in its original version

That depends on whether this is hard coded in the game engine.

[Paddy]

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