Archaic World Scenario

[Spiffor]

BTW, I agree that you should remove the American continent altogether. It will allow you to have more Eurasian Civs (I imagine India and southern China could have more), and it will let you have a bigger Eurasian map, thus making exploration less easy, as well as faraway wars.

I also suggest that the southern end of the map should be around the African jungle (well, maybe the SE-Asian Jungle), so that there's no room for undue Nubian expandion or undue southern Chinese expansion

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Spiffor
BTW, I agree that you should remove the American continent altogether. It will allow you to have more Eurasian Civs (I imagine India and southern China could have more), and it will let you have a bigger Eurasian map, thus making exploration less easy, as well as faraway wars.

I also suggest that the southern end of the map should be around the African jungle (well, maybe the SE-Asian Jungle), so that there's no room for undue Nubian expandion or undue southern Chinese expansion

Trouble is, I don't know quite what i'd do for southern Indian and Chinese civs.

[Mace]

I thought about doing such a mod as well; it was going to be an "Ancient Mediterranean" mod though.

No Japan, China, etc.

Just 4000BC to 400 AD. Sumer, Akkad, up through and including the Romans.

There are enough Civ3 units like chariots and horse archers out there that you could just about "plug them all in" and get a decent ancient med mod right now.

[GeoModder]

For southern China, I can only find the Thais. But there seems to have been a bronze-age culture somewhere in north of todays' Vietnam. It's referred to as 'Van Lang'

For south-India, I found some reference that pottery of the Banas-culture spread out south after 1800 BC.

[Illuminatiscott]

On Elam, your leader should be Shutruk Nahunte, he who stole the steele of Akkad.

And, instead of animism, you MUST put in Zoroatrianism. look it up. It's the oldest surviving religion in the world (even older than Judaism)

[KyuuA4]

No Japan, China, etc.

Yes. The Chinese unification under Qin. That was around 210 BC.

Then y'can have Jet Li as a special Nameless hero...

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Illuminatiscott
On Elam, your leader should be Shutruk Nahunte, he who stole the steele of Akkad.

And, instead of animism, you MUST put in Zoroatrianism. look it up. It's the oldest surviving religion in the world (even older than Judaism)

Zoroaster lived circa 800-700 BC. The scenario ends at 1000 BC. For a later game, he'd be perfect.

(BTW, no need to look Up Zoroastrianism -- wrote a nice bunch of papers on Z.)

[Illuminatiscott]

dangit

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Illuminatiscott
dangit

Maybe a Classical Middle East scenario... 1500 BC - 300 BC...

[Alexander I]

Updated Wonder Idea List:

Tomb of King Scorpion
Tower of Babel
Labyrinth
Pyramids
Olmec Head
Walls of Jericho
Palace of Minos
the Vedas/Bhagavad Gita
Stonehenge
Ziggurat of Ur
the Epic of Gilgamesh
the Ramayana
the Lion Gate (of Mycenae)
Travels of Abraham
Sanxingdui
Sargon's War Academy
Djoser's Step Pyramid, Saqqara
the Sphinx
Hammurabi's Code
the Ishtar Gate
Palace of the Yellow Emperor
Royal Tombs, Anyang
the Temple of Solomon
Dar Kurizgalu (Kassite Capital)
Sea Peoples
Catal Huyuk
Abu Simbel
Hanging Gardens (a little too late)

Anybody notice that there are a lot of Egyptian wonders?
Anybody have any other ideas?

[Vince278]

Is it a little late for the Great Wall?

[Bosh]

Koryo/Choson

Um, those came way later. There wasn't any kind of organized kingdom in Korea that early.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Bosh

Um, those came way later. There wasn't any kind of organized kingdom in Korea that early.

"According to a classic legend, Korea's first large social civilization, Go-Joseon (고조선; 古朝鮮), was founded by the man-god Dangun (Tangun) in 2333 BC. Go-Joseon is considered the first Korean kingdom. The name originally used was Joseon (meaning "Land of the Morning Calm"), but later historians started calling it Go-Joseon, or "old Joseon", to distinguish it from the later Wiman Joseon and Gija Joseon (see below). The legend claims that the kingdom was founded by Dangun in southern Manchuria in the basins of the Liao and Daedong Rivers.

In 1122 BC, a kingdom called Gija Joseon was established when a Chinese exile Jizi (Gija) led 5,000 followers to the mountainous peninsula and founded the kingdom by merging with existent populations. Go-Joseon was later revived as Wiman Joseon, which lasted until 108 BC. It has become common to refer to Wiman Joseon, Gija Joseon and the initial Go-Joseon as parts of a longer Go-Joseon period, this time to distinguish them from the later Joseon Dynasty."

Encyclopedia Entry. (above)

I know that Wang Kon flourished AD 877-943, but that's not the culture I'm referring to.

[Illuminatiscott]

The reason the egyptians have so many wonders is because they had the longest un-interrupted civilization in the history of mankind. Egyptian civilization ran from before 3000BCE to 326BCE. And if you count that egypt retained much of its culture and soveriegnty through the hellenistic period, it goes all the way to 44BCE. Also, roman tradition was influenced by egyptian, and the standard egyptian culture flourished in the southern parts of the nile, It goes all the way to 653 CE, when it was conquered by the Arabs.
In conclusion, you should remove the tomb of King Scorpion (it was just a tomb, and not a wonder), and the "Pyramids" (which were built very late in this period), and leave only Djoser's step pyramid, and the sphinx. You could consider putting in the Most Sacred Temple at Karnak, which, IMO, is the most impressive building in egypt.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Illuminatiscott
The reason the egyptians have so many wonders is because they had the longest un-interrupted civilization in the history of mankind. Egyptian civilization ran from before 3000BCE to 326BCE. And if you count that egypt retained much of its culture and soveriegnty through the hellenistic period, it goes all the way to 44BCE. Also, roman tradition was influenced by egyptian, and the standard egyptian culture flourished in the southern parts of the nile, It goes all the way to 653 CE, when it was conquered by the Arabs.
In conclusion, you should remove the tomb of King Scorpion (it was just a tomb, and not a wonder), and the "Pyramids" (which were built very late in this period), and leave only Djoser's step pyramid, and the sphinx. You could consider putting in the Most Sacred Temple at Karnak, which, IMO, is the most impressive building in egypt.

While I think it is a good idea to include the Temple of Karnak, I do not agree that the Pyramids of Giza should be removed. Are you aware that the Great Pyramid of Khufu was constructed in the 26th Century BC, and the Temple at Karnak in the 16th?

Also, I think the Tomb of King Scorpion should stay. While it is not as impressive as later, more massive edifices, it represented the beginning of Egyptian ceremonial burial, early hieroglyphics, and other cultural achievements.

P.S. Why remove the Pyramids and keep the Sphinx? Most Pyramids predate the Sphinx, ie. those at Saqqara, Dahshur, Meidum, and most of the complex at Giza. Or do you think it was built by extra-terrestrials?