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**Vince278** · June 19, 2005, 00:10

How about tossing in a theoretical Atlantis as well?

**KyuuA4** · June 19, 2005, 00:23

Where are the Polynesians?

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 01:46

Originally posted by Vince278
How about tossing in a theoretical Atlantis as well?

Atlantis = Minoans

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 01:47

Originally posted by KyuuA4
Where are the Polynesians?

um... in Sumer... ?

**Spiffor** · June 19, 2005, 04:54

Interesting idea. I'm always more enthusiastic about scenarios that focus on building a civilization than about war scenarios

OTOH, since Civ traditionally doesn't represent the archaic era very well, there are a few challenges that appear, and that you may want to tackle:
1. The spread of mankind. Basically in Civ, mankind can be found only where the Civs start, and the Civs are the ones responsible for settling the world. However, once a Civ creates a city, the city is firmly in the hands of its creator. I'm not an expert, but I don't think it happened like that in the archaic era: new settlements (at least those far from the centre) took their independance, and the established empires actually unificated many small kingdoms into their culture. I really like the way you divided China

Another problem with the Civ engine is exploration. Since the worldmap shouldn't be too big, the Civs can explore like crazy, and you could well have Greeks that trade techs directly with the Chinese. Do you have ideas on how to seriously restrict exploration? Maybe a handy number of Barbarians in "barrier" regions would help.

Another thing is the role of the mediterranean trade, and the relative unattractiveness of Northern Europe. Maybe the Mediterranean arc should be chock-full of resources (in comparison to Europe's, at least), and maybe you could mod the rules so that irrigation on European tiles produce less food than irrigation on mediterranean ones.

The last thing is about the barriers not to exploration, but to colonization. In particular, Africa could end up being full of Nubian towns. Maybe you should mod many terrains so that they don't even allow for the passage of settlers. The African jungle could be a good barrier to the Nubians then, Siberia wouldn't be a passage between Europe and Asia, etc.

**LDiCesare** · June 19, 2005, 06:15

I am not sure an archaic scenario should feature all these civs or play on a world map. Something bigger than Kull's Seeds of Greatness could be ok (the Mediteranean and up to India), but including Mesoamericans? Fertile crescent civs and americans won't meet in hte Archaic period.
And the Tuatha De Danaan are probably better replaced by celts, the Tuatha De being the name of the old Irsh gods.

**Vince278** · June 19, 2005, 06:19

Originally posted by Alexander01
Atlantis = Minoans

Many of the civilizations in your list were considered refugees from a fallen Atlantis.

**GeoModder** · June 19, 2005, 06:23

And shouldn't Atlantis predate 3000 BC?

**Vince278** · June 19, 2005, 06:29

Originally posted by GeoModder
And shouldn't Atlantis predate 3000 BC?

Pretty much. The refugees then gradually lose contact with each other and what technology they had. This would then bring us up to the scenario start.

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 10:01

Originally posted by LDiCesare
I am not sure an archaic scenario should feature all these civs or play on a world map. Something bigger than Kull's Seeds of Greatness could be ok (the Mediteranean and up to India), but including Mesoamericans? Fertile crescent civs and americans won't meet in hte Archaic period.
And the Tuatha De Danaan are probably better replaced by celts, the Tuatha De being the name of the old Irsh gods.

It is theorized that the Tuatha De were deified heroes from a previous civ that the Irish supplanted. Demigods = legendary past heroes...?

And I'd need a really large map in order to do this...

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 20:17

So here's some more ideas:

Civ. Title Leader Capital

Sumer, King Nimrod or Gilgamesh or Urukagina, Uruk
Akkad, King Sargon, Akkad
Elam, King Chedorlaomer, Shushan
Hittites, King Suppiluliuma, Hattusas
Amorites, King Sihon, Jericho
Canaanites, King Birsha, Hazor
Hebrews, King Melchizedek, Salem
Hurrians, King Saustatar, Wassukkani
Minoans, Queen Phaedra or King Minos, Knossos
Myceneans, Wanax or Basileos Agamemnon, Mycenae
Trojans, King Priam, Troy
Upper Egyptians, King or Horus Narmer or Serqet (Scorpion), Thinis or Nekhen
Lower Egyptians, Pharaoh Thoth-Khepera, Men-nefer
Ku****es, King Apedemak, Kerma
Harappans, Maharaja Rama, Mohenjo-Daro
Aryans, Chieftain Sudas, Veda?
Xia Chinese, Emperor or Di Xia Yu Di or Shang Di or Huang Di, Erlitou
Shang Chinese, Emperor Ch'eng T'ang, Anyang
Zhou Dynasty, King or Wang Wen, Loyang
Choson, King Dan-gun/Tan-gun, Pyongyang
Yamato or Jomon, Emperor Ninigi, Kyoto
Olmecs, King Cohor, Lib?
Tuatha de Danann, Priestess Rhiannon or Lord Cuchulainn, Skara Brae

**Vince278** · June 19, 2005, 22:32

Originally posted by Alexander01
It is theorized that the Tuatha De were deified heroes from a previous civ that the Irish supplanted. Demigods = legendary past heroes...?

I believe the legendary Firbolgs were before them.

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 22:53

Originally posted by Vince278

I believe the legendary Firbolgs were before them.

Furbolgs? Somebody's been playing way too much World of Warcraft!

Just kidding, I know what you're talking about.

**Alexander I** · June 19, 2005, 22:57

Originally posted by Spiffor
the established empires actually unificated many small kingdoms into their culture. I really like the way you divided China

Yeah the idea was that by the end of the game, one faction wouldv'e achieved dominance in each area

(ex. Sumer, Akkad, Elam, Mitanni coallesce into Assyro-Babylonia; Upper and Lower Egypt and part of Nubia make the Old Kingdom, etc.)

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