Trireme vs Battleship

[KyuuA4]

could it sneek up to a battleship and board it

And get beaten up by a crew of say... 600 - 1000 sailors? With guns... knives... and Kung Fu..

Now is that an idea anyone brought up...Boarding?

It's more fun to blow things up with cannons and other explosive means.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Ninot
unless i'm wrong, the lookouts/crew about a modern ship would spot a trireme approaching and just open up with one of the minor cannons.

They don't always need their high tech toys to destroy small things.

True, to disable a trireme a hefty water cannon would do the trick. After all it´s what the merchant ships use against pirates in the South-Chinese Sea

[GeoModder]

Don't those use guns in return?

[DerSchwarzfalke]

The pirates of the South China Sea only use small arms and depend on sneaking up to the ship to board it. They are not your stereotypical Caribbean pirates with broadsides ready to tear you and yours to shreds. Small arms of course are ineffective against ships until you are on board them, so water cannons are a surprisingly effective defense.

[trausch]

Originally posted by KyuuA4


And get beaten up by a crew of say... 600 - 1000 sailors? With guns... knives... and Kung Fu..



It's more fun to blow things up with cannons and other explosive means.

The real question that has come up is that can a wooden boat sneak up on a modern war ship and cause damage. Let's see, didn't a bunch of guys in a wooden boat sneak up and blast a hole in the side of the USS Cole a class of destroyer? Probably one of the most advanced ships in the world?

[DeathByTheSword]

that would mean they had to invent gunpowder and explosives first...and then you would atleast already have magnatism so no need for trireme anymore

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke
An idea for galleys I would like is to give them a certain "range" from one of your ports, beyond which they sink just as if they did not end the turn in coastal waters. This can be extended with the Great Lighthouse wonder or with utilizing the ports of friends and allies, but I think it would serve the purpose of making the Age of Exploration period more a time of actual exploration. How many galleys after all circumnavigated major continents? This combined with added moves to caravels and other late age ships should open up the naval sphere enormously.

that's boring. I like moving my galleys along coastlines in the early game. 'tis fun

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke
The pirates of the South China Sea only use small arms and depend on sneaking up to the ship to board it.

FYI, 'guns' can refer to small arms as well.
Do you think me so naïve to assume that todays' pirates still sail with frigates onto the seas?

[Zoid]

An article on the issue

http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2003/04/28/daily83.html

[Kuciwalker]

This has gone slightly off-topic.

[Zoid]

As it inevitably does when the subject is exhausted...

[KyuuA4]

The real question that has come up is that can a wooden boat sneak up on a modern war ship and cause damage. Let's see, didn't a bunch of guys in a wooden boat sneak up and blast a hole in the side of the USS Cole a class of destroyer? Probably one of the most advanced ships in the world?

However, that kamikaze attack did not sink the ship. Therefore, the wooden boat lost.

Plus the ship was not in a state of alert. It was on port for refueling.

[Wise Ass]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
You realize that being based on the same engine as Pirates! is (not quite the same thing as you said) doesn't mean that the naval stuff is at all similar, right?

Yea, I forgot that they didn't build the engine for Pirates! Which could have made a difference but not in all cases. But I hear some of the leaders are going to look oddly farmilliar

[Kuciwalker]

The engine really has very little to do with the actual gameplay.

[Wise Ass]

It can if it was designed for that specifically. But obviously this is not the case. And Pirates and civ would not be that case usually either unless enough of the game code was used.

Other than forgetting that the engine used wasn't designed for Pirates! I also wasn't thinking about the difference in combat systems.