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  • #1

    Two Leaders

    So why are there some civs that have two leaders? Why then do only SOME of them have two?

    Americans: Washington, FDR (Why not Lincoln?)
    Arabs: Abu Bakr?
    Aztecs: Montezuma
    Babylonians: Hammurabi?
    Chinese: Qin Shih Huangti, Mao Tsetung
    Egyptians: Hatshepsut (and Ramses?)
    English: Elizabeth I, Victoria
    French: Louis XIV, Napoleon
    Germans: Otto von Bismarck
    Greeks?: Alexander?
    Incans: Atahualpa or Pachacuti?
    Indians: Mohandas Gandhi
    Japanese: Tokugawa Ieyasu
    Malinese: Mansa Musa?
    Mongols: Genghis Khan
    Persians: Cyrus (Why not Darius or Xerxes?)
    Romans: Julius Caesar
    Russians: Peter or Catherine the Great? Stalin?
    Spanish: Isabella, Ferdinand or Philip?
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    I dare them to make Hilter the second German leader.

    Which - of course - won't happen.
    http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

    Why is France a Civ.?

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    • #3
      Nope. It's not "PC" enough. Though they certainly haven't had a problem including Stalin and Mao in the past, both of whom butchered more people than Hitler ever did. (Not that that would justify ol' Adolf's inclusion, rather, it cries for the disclusion of the other two).
      Last edited by Alexander I; June 2, 2005, 21:48.
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      • #4
        I can only speculate...

        So why are there some civs that have two leaders?
        Certain civilizations have multiple great leaders - so hey, why not include more than one?

        In addition, certain civilizations do not fall into just one trait.

        And then why only SOME of them?
        Well, can you think of an easy 2nd GREAT leader for say -- Azteca? Germany? How about the Mongols - whose time of greatness was only about a century or so?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KyuuA4

          Well, can you think of an easy 2nd GREAT leader for say -- Azteca? Germany? How about the Mongols - whose time of greatness was only about a century or so?
          Hmm. Yes!

          Aztecs: Montezuma, Cuauhtemoc
          Germany: Otto von Bismarck, Maria Theresa, Frederick Barbarossa, Frederick the Great, Otto the Great, Charles V
          Mongols: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Batu Khan, Ogedei Khan, Anybody Khan

          Heck, somebody even thought of two leaders for Mali ...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alexander01
            Anybody Khan
            Anybody Khan?
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            • #7
              Yes, especially Khan Noonien Singh...
              The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
              "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
              "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alexander01


                Hmm. Yes!

                Aztecs: Montezuma, Cuauhtemoc
                Germany: Otto von Bismarck, Maria Theresa, Frederick Barbarossa, Frederick the Great, Otto the Great, Charles V
                Mongols: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Batu Khan, Ogedei Khan, Anybody Khan

                Heck, somebody even thought of two leaders for Mali ...

                OK, to be more specific... a second leader WORTHY of time-spent by the staff to be programmed into the game?
                http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

                Why is France a Civ.?

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                • #9
                  I think Barbarossa would take offense at that remark...
                  The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                  "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                  "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                  • #10
                    The idea is two leaders who represent radically different philosophies that have been present in a Civ over it's history.

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                    • #11
                      Y'know. I find it nice seeing Emperor Qin representing China. After watching Hero... I thought... man, this dude was great - as his actions shaped China for the two millenia after his rule...
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SCUrfer
                        The idea is two leaders who represent radically different philosophies that have been present in a Civ over it's history.
                        Like Qin Shih Huangti - Ancient Totalitarian Conquest

                        and

                        Mao Tse-tung - Modern Totalitarian Conquest
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                        "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                        "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KyuuA4
                          Y'know. I find it nice seeing Emperor Qin representing China. After watching Hero... I thought... man, this dude was great - as his actions shaped China for the two millenia after his rule...
                          I agree -- China was ruled by dictators for a lot longer than its been ruled by silly communists.
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                          "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                          "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Alexander01


                            Like Qin Shih Huangti - Ancient Totalitarian Conquest

                            and

                            Mao Tse-tung - Modern Totalitarian Conquest
                            Hmm, they should've picked one of the early/mid Ming Emperors then.
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                            Why is France a Civ.?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KyuuA4


                              Hmm, they should've picked one of the early/mid Ming Emperors then.
                              Like Zhu Di - Renaissance Totalitarian Conquest
                              The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                              "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                              "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
                              The Kingdom of Jerusalem: Chronicles of the Golden Cross - a Crusader Kings After Action Report

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