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  • #181
    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
    It's a BS argument anyway, since what you want is not going to happen no matter how well or often you demonstrate your point. Give it up.
    Yeah, thanks for sharing. Not like I did not say that myself...
    Originally posted by Modo44
    TechWis, this is no useful argument, and I knew it before it even started. People have different views of what constitutes a civ worth of this game.

    TechWis, I will not convince you, and you can obviously not convince me. Me arguments are "moot" to you, but guess what, yours are just as "moot" to me. EOT.
    Seriously. Kung freaking fu.

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    • #182
      By that reasoning we would be starting 4000BC with only China, Egypt, and maybe India.
      "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
      "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
      2004 Presidential Candidate
      2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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      • #183
        It's not that people have different views. It's that America is in for reasons completely unrelated to its actual value as a civ and quite sufficient for Firaxis to keep putting it in until Civ 29007

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        • #184
          TechWis, I will not convince you, and you can obviously not convince me. Me arguments are "moot" to you, but guess what, yours are just as "moot" to me. EOT.
          I said the argument is moot in consideration to the aspect of America originally being a colony, considering that is the nature of developing civs throughout history. Your argument, valid or invalid, is just as relevant as mine is, valid or invalid.

          By that reasoning we would be starting 4000BC with only China, Egypt, and maybe India.
          Possibly some Mesopotamian culture as well. FUN!
          However, it is difficult to believe that 2 times 2 does not equal 4; does that make it true? On the other hand, is it really so difficult simply to accept everything that one has been brought up on and that has gradually struck deep roots – what is considered truth in the circle of moreover, really comforts and elevates man? Is that more difficult than to strike new paths, fighting the habitual, experiencing the insecurity of independence and the frequent wavering of one’s feelings and even one’s conscience, proceeding often without any consolation, but ever with the eternal goal of the true, the beautiful, and the good? - F.N.

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          • #185
            It would be really cool if a nation could appear relatively late on the scene (perhaps due to a civil war or some such) and then quickly grow in power. It would add that extra element of suprise in a game.
            "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
            "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
            2004 Presidential Candidate
            2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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            • #186
              Originally posted by Vince278
              By that reasoning we would be starting 4000BC with only China, Egypt, and maybe India.
              Only if you consider cities to be the absolute requirement for a "civilization". There are many present-day civs that originated just as long ago, but were nomads for a long time (like Germany, or Russia, or Mongolia). The thing is, they had a culture, economy, and military long before building first settlements that could make archeological evidence. So no, to me there are not as few old civilizations as you think. And yes, I think those should be included in CIV, with all others being colonies gone loose, effects of civil war, or new civs just developing later.

              This is what you call a personal opinion. I already said I know America will be in CIV, and I said why. I am just stating my point of view here. I accept you guys think different. Why can you not do the same for me?
              Seriously. Kung freaking fu.

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              • #187
                I have no problem with you thinking differently. Our points of view are actually pretty close. Please extend the same courtesy to everyone else.
                "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                2004 Presidential Candidate
                2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                • #188
                  Originally posted by Vince278
                  I have no problem with you thinking differently. Our points of view are actually pretty close. Please extend the same courtesy to everyone else.
                  Good point. Sorry.


                  What the discussion did was made me think what exactly I would like implemented in CIV. Thanks for that.
                  Seriously. Kung freaking fu.

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                  • #189
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                    It's a BS argument anyway, since what you want is not going to happen no matter how well or often you demonstrate your point. Give it up.
                    I don't suppose you ever played RoN

                    Edit: Mind you, we know for a fact the Americans are in Civ4, but for future Civ games, you never know...
                    Last edited by Locutus; June 5, 2005, 07:45.
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                    • #190
                      Originally posted by Locutus


                      I don't suppose you ever played RoN

                      Edit: Mind you, we know for a fact the Americans are in Civ4, but for future Civ games, you never know...
                      You never know, but one can always suspect...
                      The Apolytoner formerly known as Alexander01
                      "God has given no greater spur to victory than contempt of death." - Hannibal Barca, c. 218 B.C.
                      "We can legislate until doomsday but that will not make men righteous." - George Albert Smith, A.D. 1949
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                      • #191
                        Originally posted by Locutus
                        I don't suppose you ever played RoN
                        ... which is not made by Sid. Yes, Bryan Reynolds, but not Sid.

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                        • #192
                          Civ2-4 weren't made by Sid either, his involvement in the series has decreased with every incarnation...
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                          • #193
                            It's still made by Sid

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                            • #194
                              fresh from the pages of PC Gamer magazine pg 37, July issue

                              19 different civs, 28 leaders
                              anti steam and proud of it

                              CDO ....its OCD in alpha order like it should be

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                              • #195
                                I know Québec shouldn't be in as a civilization - just like Australia, Argentina, Mexico or Canada shouldn't be. But with the mods everything is gonna be possible.
                                «Vive le Québec libre» - Charles de Gaulle

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