cIV E3 stuff

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Alex
Firaxis said (I can't remember where I've read it) that the new combat system was made to stimulate players to use combined armies, but so far I haven't seen any details about how this system will work...

I think they've said it because they use a stone-papers-scissors system. Spearmen are much stronger when they oppose cavalry, axemen are much stronger when they face infantry, dragoons are much stronger when they face artillery etc.

As a result, if you make a spearman-only army, your enemy will simply have to send his axemen to cut your army into bits

[Addled Platypus]

I went to download the videos, nothing

I wen to play the stream video nothing

could just be the old laptop?

If anyone has successfull downloaded ans saved the videos from GS, please send an e mail to

prext at yahoo dot com

thanks for all the great info. Now to spend the weekend catching up on all the news

[Robert]

It's not a stone-papers-scissors system.
There are more then 3 kinds of units. Besides that, your units can have an advantage to defend a city (Archers)
Apparantly some units are better in hard terrains as well, etc.

So it's much broader then a stone-paper-scissors system. But the system is the core of the system more then it was in cIv, cIIv and cIIIv indeed.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Platypus Rex
I went to download the videos, nothing

I wen to play the stream video nothing

could just be the old laptop?

If anyone has successfull downloaded ans saved the videos from GS, please send an e mail to

prext at yahoo dot com

thanks for all the great info. Now to spend the weekend catching up on all the news

I sent an email to you but the address is not working (I get an email saying the message could not be delivered) - are you sure it's "prext"?

Would it be against some sort of Apolyton policy if I posted instructions on how to download the video directly? It requires downloading a program and using a link that you can extract from the GameSpot website if you are clever (like Spiffor).

[Krill]

prext2000, IIRC, is the prefix to PRs email...

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Platypus Rex
could just be the old laptop?

I think it is. The videos download just fine here, and they work just fine as well.

I think the downloadable version isn't hosted by Gamespot (it seems to be hosted in Finland). So, chances are someone already donloaded the videos and hosted them on his own

These vids are WMD format, they must be read by WindowsMedia Player, or by alternative media players Kassiopeia knows about.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

You know, I REALLY hate the fact that they are STILL making The Manhattan Project a World Wonder that grants nukes to ALL civs ! Now, I know we will probably be able to mod this-but we really shouldn't have to!!! How hard would it be to make TMP a National Wonder capable of giving nukes to ONLY the player who builds it???
Seriously, Firaxis, you must change this before the game is released. It may seem like a small issue, but its a niggling complaint of mine from WAAAAYYY back!!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

[Krill]

Because that would unbalance the game too much. Especially in multiplayer. An entire empire, even in human hands can be destroyed in a matter of turns, even if you have a quarter of your opponents military force, and you have to invade over ocean.

[Locutus]

Platypus Rex,
Ari already downloaded the videos and put them on his website, see earlier in this thread (a few posts after the transcript I posted).

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
You know, I REALLY hate the fact that they are STILL making The Manhattan Project a World Wonder that grants nukes to ALL civs ! Now, I know we will probably be able to mod this-but we really shouldn't have to!!! How hard would it be to make TMP a National Wonder capable of giving nukes to ONLY the player who builds it???
Seriously, Firaxis, you must change this before the game is released. It may seem like a small issue, but its a niggling complaint of mine from WAAAAYYY back!!!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

That would be very unbalancing.

Now the player who is the furthest ahead has to make the biggest efforts, making it easier for the others to catch up. If you make it a National wonder, the player who builds it first can Nuke everyone else's major industrial cities back to the stone age and thus prevent anyone else from getting Nukes as well.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Locutus
Now the player who is the furthest ahead has to make the biggest efforts, making it easier for the others to catch up. If you make it a National wonder, the player who builds it first can Nuke everyone else's major industrial cities back to the stone age and thus prevent anyone else from getting Nukes as well.

That is the point of having nuclear weapons at all. It was close to happening in real history, you know (before the USSR got the technology). Once everybody can use them (i.e. has built the Small Wonder), the MAD doctrine prevents war. Before that, only playing the nice guy does. The one problem here would be: What if the AI got to nukes first.

[Myrddin]

But Ghandi's a nice guy - he won't nuke you

[Krill]

Well, with good enough prebuilds, nuke subs, etc, you could probably disconnect every source of uranium on the planet that you did not control anyway, just by sending an ICBM to bombard ech tile the contained Uranium.

But that would require alot of skill, so if you managed to pull it off, you deserve the win...

[Mace]

Originally posted by bfg9000
What I want to know is:

Will it be impossible to play a peaceful game at Emperor and above like Civ3?

I want to know this too...

[GAZ082]

Ive checked the 13 min video... i wonder if the AI will make cool promotion combos or just the same every other game.

[Spiffor]

There's an article at IGN. I think it's new, because it says some things that I didn't know yet:

- the farms, mines etc. are animated only when they are worked, which allows to see which squares are worked at first glance

- it's confirmed that each Civ will get a unique unit

- there's a promotion that gives bonuses for unit regeneration

- Gandhi prefers passive civs

- The two rulers for England are Queen Elizabeth and Queen Victoria

- There won't be civ-specific traits anymore. The specific bonuses come from your civics and from your leader's traits.

- Culture affects the defense of a city. A highly cultured city will have defensives bonuses, while a newly conquered city won't.

- You don't amass culture by building cultural improvements. You have to pay for culture with your slider. Cultural improvements remain important, in the form of multiplier.

- The National Epic (assumption: a small wonder?) multiplies your culture by two. The Naironhood civic option does the same.

- It seems that two civs in the same team (in MP) can team-up for techm, in order to research twice as fast.

- There will be a "more intelligent stack movement"

- It is possible to start in later eras

- The article mentions "The lack of corruption and pollution". I assume that the concepts are still existing, but that they are completely different from what they were before (well, we already know that pollution will negatively affect a city's health)