The List for Civ IV: Final Version

[DarkCloud]

The List for Civ IV

Ladies and Gentlemen, after over a year of development and work, The decendant of yin26's venerable List for Civ III has been completed.

Yes, you heard correctly- The List for Civ IV is avaliable in FINAL form after well over a year of labor by a dedicated portion of the Apolyton Community.

As you read, this list is making its way to FIRAXIS Headquarters where Soren and the rest can look it over and utilize its suggestions for the upcoming game.

(Below this note, in this thread is the list itself)

It has long been a dream of myself to work on something such as this. When I registered for the site, I came a few months after the second version of the original List had been signed and submitted.

I loved Civilization III and spent days upon days posting ideas in the forums, wanting my voice to be heard, but also wanting to be part of something more.

This List for Civ IV provided me, and many others the same opportunity, to influence Firaxis, to help our fellow civvers, and to grasp at greatness by standing on the shoulders of giants like the original Lists' threadmasters, administrators, and organizers: Snowfire, korn469, yin26, and others.

I would like to take this time to especially thank the people who made this list possible:

1st- Markos and Dan for creating the section of the site

2nd- Ming for topping vital threads for organizational efforts

3rd- The idea-makers themselves. Without ideas there would be no list

4th- Asmodean, the original Civ IV List Administrator (From November 2003-December 2003)

5th- Nuclear Master for early organizational assistance

6th- Nikolai for going above and beyond in helping with administrating the list and helping organize people, especially when I was unable to dedicate time!

Nikolai, you never abandoned the list and you were always there, and that means more than what 99% of the other people involved with this project accomplished.

Without your encouragement, enthusiasm, and aid, this list might never have been completed!

And ESPECIALLY the list threadmasters:
Azazel- Government and Social Engineering
Fosse- The Polls
Ixnay- Space
Lajzar- Units
MattH- Cheats
Nikolai- AI, Resources, Terrain
Octavian X- Wonders
Platypus Rex- Regional and City Menus
TechWins- Diplomacy
Trifna- Movement/Supply User Friendliness

-Respectfully signed and submitted:
DarkCloud- List Administrator (December 2003-January 2005); List Formatter; Threadmaster of Civilizations, General, Scenario/Map Editor.

[DarkCloud]

The List for Civ IV

Here it is, in all its glory- 166 pages of easy-navigable utility!

-DC

[Trifna]

erm... I know that my compilation of the ideas was not completed................

If it is not too late and can give me 24 hours, I could easily (at least) make the whole "User friendliness" thread. It's not as the Movement/Supply thread that is so long that a whole part is about things discussed over and over (talk about bulldozing in circles).

[Brent]

So, this list is, like, finalized, man...

Do we wish to continue listing ideas for fun or for expansions or for Civ5 for a few more turns? Is this section of the boards going to keep going sort of like it has been or will there be any significant changes? Will existing threads continue with new ideas? Is any new fun going to replace the old fun or will I be bored with an empty space in my surfing? Is any future wishlisting going to be organized like what we've got, for the expansions or C5 or whatever? In the near future?

Thank you, DC, for all your efforts. I feel like I'm the one mainly being benefitted by my ideas having an audience (along with everyone else).

[DarkCloud]

Trifna- I added pages 8,9,10 of your thread- to the summary- they're all in there don't worry. At worst I may have missed an idea or two on page 7 that I wasn't certain if you added or not.

You'll also note that I standardized everyone's formatting for their threads.

As for TechWin's summary, I updated that as well.

Everything should be there. (I don't know if you received my PMs on this subject, Trifna because I was having a lot of trouble in sending them, but just view the file and see for yourself the comprehensiveness )

-As for the User Friendliness Thread- I thought that was completed?
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Brent

Well, If you'd like to retool the list for Civ IV's expansions, please feel free to do so. For a while, though, I'm going into retirement. I wasn't able to do everything I wanted with this list becasue of the time constraints, but a suggestion to future listmakers- if they could combine the best attributes of the original Civ III list with this list and the unlisted ideas in this thread and the archived civ 3- suggestions thread and make it easily searchable, it would truly be the ultimate repository for Civ V ideas

As for future wishlisting, judging by past events after Civ III's release, most attempts to get a Civ V list started after IV's release will likely be squashed. I attempted something of the sort about 2 months after the games release, because it disappointed me- however, fellow boardmembers shouted me down and diminished its usefulness through their narrowminded refusal to consider even looking at it.

However, about a year after Civ IV's release, markos and dan might create a new forum for ideas- unless of course you can strongly peititon them to do so sooner.

Then about a year later, the forum will move up from the bottom of the forum sections and get topped on the "tree" where you view all the forums.

And that's just how it is

Good luck and bon aventure as the french say.

-DC

[Soren Johnson]

thanks!

[Trifna]

Thanks to you! We're just doing what we can


PS: Any useful stuff to do? (Civilopedia, beta... send spies or commando)
Civ-fan heavy-commando readied -->
Sorry, that's all we get out of them




DarkCloud:
I'll finish this presto. Also, if you're in a mood to add things, two new polls (and the last one makes me wonder how come it was not already posted):
Liberal and Conservative Democracies

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=3576944&t=8507#post3576944

Is a TACTICAL BATTLE OPTION a good idea?

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=128434

What government model do we want in Civ 4?

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=127467

Also, I think it will be time to ask each participant if he gives his permission to include his material in a wiki. I don't know what are the limits of wikis, but it seems interesting.

[Nikolai]

Very well! Congratulations to us all! Not all work that was begun was finished, but we did make a long list nevertheless. Good job, everyone. And especially so to DC. And thanks for the kind words! And Trifna, feel free to add my work.

[DarkCloud]

Trifna- please feel free to use my compiled info in a wikipedia.

Soren Thank you for seeing this and for viewing this board and voicing your support. We really appreciate how you have taken your time to look at this.
Good luck with the list, and hopefully you can find some good ideas to incorporate into Civ IV through using it.

-DC

[Locutus]

Congrats and great job to everyone involved

[Soren Johnson]

well, I've looked through much of the list and it's nice to know that many of your suggestions are already in the game. I'll keep my eye out for other ideas which will fit Civ4...

"The AI should be able to handle every concept of the game with a decent skill."

I'll do my best!

[lajzar]

A modest suggestion...

A while ago i started a wiki page to compile my thoughts on civ4, and I invited others to join in. Perhaps we could include this document into the wiki?

I'm not going to incorporate other people's words, as there is an ownership of ideas issue there, but I would be happy if people put in their own materials from the civ4 list, as was suggested on the original thread when i announced the wiki.

http://www.lajzar.co.uk/wiki

[Nikolai]

Soren: That surely sounds promising. And thanks for listening to us!

[Brundlefly]

He's just patronizing us.

[Nikolai]

Maybe, maybe not. I tend to trust people until I get proof of not to. Just because Civ3 wasn't as good as we expected(and that high expectation was partly our fault), we can't distrust Firaxis all the time. Let Civ3 be Civ3, and cIV be cIV.