Time Travel Civ

[Modo44]

Originally posted by Epistax
I think it's perfectly playable, you just need to choose your time travel cause-effect rules.

Yes, it is. I recall there was a game about this, but the name kinda left my head.

But it would simply not be a Civ game anymore, but a time travel game. A playable concept, yes, but too far from original Civ to make anything but a fun scenario in CIV.

[Epistax]

Originally posted by Modo44

Yes, it is. I recall there was a game about this, but the name kinda left my head.

But it would simply not be a Civ game anymore, but a time travel game. A playable concept, yes, but too far from original Civ to make anything but a fun scenario in CIV.

Yup I agree, except I don't think it's even possible in a civ scenario unless they offer the best toolkit imaginable. Solid idea for a civ-like game though.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Time travel has too many paradoxes that it would just get stupid and unbalancing.

Turn 1.

" You are the leader of a nomadic tribe, you have knowledge of alphabet, masonry, irrigation, mining and roads"

You could still send help to yourself in the past. For example:

"You are the leader of a nomadic tribe, you have knowledge of irrigation, mining, roads and modern armor"

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Time travel has too many paradoxes that it would just get stupid and unbalancing.

Turn 1.

" You are the leader of a nomadic tribe, you have knowledge of alphabet, masonry, irrigation, mining and roads"

"Found city of Sit Vis Nobiscum"

Turn 2
"Your civilization has been destroyed by death rays from the future. Bad luck."

Play Again?

That is not how it would work. For example, in my model that I explained in my previous posts, you would only be able to use time travel once you reached the end game tech. So, you would play the full game. It is only when you reached the end of the game and had time travel that you would be able to wipe out enemy cities by attacking them in the past.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by The diplomat
It is only when you reached the end of the game and had time travel that you would be able to wipe out enemy cities by attacking them in the past.

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[Dauphin]

I understand the gameplay desired, I'm just be flippant.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by The diplomat
It is only when you reached the end of the game and had time travel that you would be able to wipe out enemy cities by attacking them in the past.

If I made it to the end game I wouldn't need to go back to wipe out enemy cities in the past. They already would be gone in the present.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Vince278
If I made it to the end game I wouldn't need to go back to wipe out enemy cities in the past. They already would be gone in the present.

You're just a mean warmonger, aren't you?

[Modo44]

He doesn't have to be to do that. Whatever the Time Machine would do, it would still be comparable, both in cost and effectiveness, to up-to-date military technology. Whether you call it Planet Buster or Go Back In Time And Kill People Machine, the effects in the present are pretty much the same.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by The diplomat
You're just a mean warmonger, aren't you?

I like to think of it as bringing enlightenment.

[Jon Shafer]

No offense, but .

Time travel?

They didn't even have things like that in CTP or SMAC, which were way less true to history than Civ is. The only thing in Civ that doesn't come from history is the SS victory and a couple things like SDI. And aside from the SS (which isn't really sci-fi but essentially a "tech and production victory") there's really no big impact from these futuristic aspects.

[Brent]

Trip: good argument. I'm sure people expect much more historicity in the main series of Civilization than in CTP or SMAC. People would feel betrayed bigtime. Multiple Earthlike Worlds (mew? hmm...) in the same star system to play on, however, should be in...

[punkbass2000]

Nah, MEW should be a scenario.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Brent
Multiple Earthlike Worlds (mew? hmm...) in the same star system to play on, however, should be in...

MOO3?

Seriously though, Civ-like maps on variable sized worlds (in or out of system) would be an interesting idea. With technology similar to the undersea techs in CtP you can colonize Mars or have bases on the Moon or elsewhere. It would even be cooler if the orbital mechanics and inter-planetary travel were somewhat accurately portrayed.

[Dave L]

Originally posted by Vince278


MOO3?

Seriously though, Civ-like maps on variable sized worlds (in or out of system) would be an interesting idea. With technology similar to the undersea techs in CtP you can colonize Mars or have bases on the Moon or elsewhere. It would even be cooler if the orbital mechanics and inter-planetary travel were somewhat accurately portrayed.

The science fiction scenario in Test of Time covered this, apart from accurate orbital mechanics.

4 maps - 3 planets and 1 orbiting station map, with different technologies/units needing to be achieved before you could transfer between maps.

Some units were map specific (can't breathe alien atmosphere), others could travel to different maps only by using a spaceport city improvement, whereas others had natural transport ability.

The fantasy scenario had the 4 maps as earth, sky, underwater and Hades, with similar restrictions as to unit movement.

It would be good if Civ 4 could implement this - you could carry on building when you reached Alpha Centauri, but as it has been done with ToT I suspect Sid won't want to go that way.

I'm sure if multiple maps were allowed, the mod possibilities would be endless, but you'd want to keep the main game as straight historical Civ - that's what most players would expect, IMO.