Civ4 Units

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


Bad analogy...

Chess has one piece per tile. Civ has many per tile... possibly.

Chess isn't technically tactical in military terms... if we wish to be pedantic... or unless you wish to disagree with the dictionary definition.

Or are you saying M-W and the Oxford English dictionaries have incorrectly defined the word?

Oh... and you've hit the nail on the head... TBS games... are called TBS games for a reason. The "Strategy" bit is significant.

so chess only allowing one unit per tile makes it tactical??

I don't think so, I can, and do, play many games that are tactical in nature but allow many units per tile

what I am saying is that you don't understand what tactical means

and I think that I have shown that what the majority of others think tactical means is different than what you think tactical means

and I agree, Civ is mostly a strategy game

but it has had tactical elements from the beginning, and I would like to make them fun again, instead of throwing them into the garbage heap

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


Bad analogy...

Chess has one piece per tile. Civ has many per tile... possibly.

Chess isn't technically tactical in military terms... if we wish to be pedantic... or unless you wish to disagree with the dictionary definition.

Or are you saying M-W and the Oxford English dictionaries have incorrectly defined the word?

Oh... and you've hit the nail on the head... TBS games... are called TBS games for a reason. The "Strategy" bit is significant.

what I wish to say is that you don't understand the dictionary definition

(At least, that is what I think is the case now, I use to think differently)

Jon Miller

[MrBaggins]

Not my definition. The definition is from Merriam-Webster.

Thats where words are commonly defined. A dictionary. Not by Jon Miller.

and I have read your posts... they're just plain wrong, however. Civ2 had one of the least realistic and intuitive combat systems possible. Although firepower was a step forward from Civ1...

[MrBaggins]

I understand the dictionary definition perfectly well.

[Jon Miller]

no

I ams aying that you do not understand what those words mean

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

no you don't

you show you don't by your claims of what it means

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

to give you an example

forking is a tactic in chess

Jon Miller

[MrBaggins]

Which word...


forces...

plural of force... "2 a : military strength b (1) : a body (as of troops or ships) assigned to a military purpose "


maneuver...

1 a : a military or naval movement

[Jon Miller]

some more definitions to aid your understanding (sorry, I forgot that this is not an english only site and english might not be your first language).

A procedure or set of maneuvers engaged in to achieve an end, an aim, or a goal.

An expedient for achieving a goal; a maneuver.

Hence, any system or method of procedure

. The science and art of disposing military and naval forces in order for battle, and performing military and naval evolutions. It is divided into grand tactics, or the tactics of battles, and elementary tactics, or the tactics of instruction.

(used with a sing. verb) The military science that deals with securing objectives set by strategy, especially the technique of deploying and directing troops, ships, and aircraft in effective maneuvers against an enemy: Tactics is a required course at all military academies.
(used with a pl. verb) Maneuvers used against an enemy: Guerrilla tactics were employed during most of the war.

Jon Miller

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
to give you an example

forking is a tactic in chess

Jon Miller

As I've said... Chess isn't a valid analogy... it only allows one entity per tile, and has abstract environmental world rules. A limited one move per turn situation.

Civ can have many entities per tile and has less restrictive world rules.

I.E. each entity can move each turn.

[Jon Miller]

forces

meaning multiple

as in you have multiple chess peices

but actually, you can have tactics with only one force

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by MrBaggins


As I've said... Chess isn't a valid analogy... it only allows one entity per tile, and has abstract environmental world rules. A limited one move per turn situation.

Civ can have many entities per tile and has less restrictive world rules.

I.E. each entity can move each turn.

it is not different

imagine every turn borken into smaller turns

where you deterimine the order of the turns

civ has abstract environmental world rules

and the one unit per tile thing is just as stupid as the rest of your counter arguments

you claim that your definition implies all these things

I don't see anywhere in your deffinition where it does (And the plurality, which you seem so focused on, is false anyways)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

have you ever played in avalon hill board game?

or axis and allies?

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

or even risk?

Jon Miller

[MrBaggins]

It is absolutely different.

We are discussing combat in Civ... and specifically resolving combat where multiple entities are on the same tiles.

There wouldn't need to be any resolution in this manner, if Civ were like Chess.. in that only one entity could exist in a single tile.

Thats not what you're suggesting though.