Civ 4 - The List of BAD Ideas.

[Brent]

Do not make Civ4 inappropriate for children.

[joncha]

Is Civ3 inappropriate now?

[Brent]

I'd say Civ3 is acceptable the way it is, but I'd want Civ4 to take out the unit animations, or at least allow time to see what's happening when they're turned off, and maybe some of the Civ3 movies are too much. And I don't like human sacrifice.

[MattH]

What Civ3 movies? The Intro screens? Those aren't violent, especially not compared to modern games.

(funniest post in weeks)

[edited for clarity]

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Brent
*snip* And I don't like human sacrifice.

How nice for you...

So... lets just ignore the ancient historical practice, in this edutainment game, because it offends your sensibilities.

You do know there is fighting and killing... in Civ, don't you? In fact, its almost a necessity... along with a whole host of other morally ambiguous concepts.

[yellowdaddy]

self-censored, because I think arguing on the internet is gay.

[Kuciwalker]

yellowdaddy, keep the political stuff out of this forum please. If you need to troll, do it in the OTF.

[Spiffor]

The worst idea that ever was in Civ3:

Avoid to make encompassing information screens (such as a detailed intelligence screen), for fear it would confuse the player. Rather, make all this info available across many advisor screens without anyone to sum them up

(yes, the lack of a summing-up information screen in Civ3 is not an unwished shortcoming; it is a design decision )

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Brent
Do not make Civ4 inappropriate for children.

This is indeed a BAD idea
Make Civ4 as violent, as horrible, as monstrous as accurate. Just avoid graphical depictions of the horrors you're responsible for

[yellowdaddy]

what's trolling?

[Spiffor]

skywalker.

of all the civilisations in the world today, the one which has had the most impact is France, not America.

[blah blah, we're the best, Napoleon was the one who spread modernity and enlightenment in Europe, not some pansy Brit, and certainly not some pansy American]



Let's face it, most Civs available in this game are or have been highly influencial in their area of the world at some point. Either that, or they had an original culture that is worth mentioning in the game.

I think Civs should be more varied: more African Civs (Mali! ), more SE Asian Civs, and maybe less European Civs.

Civilization would probably be more interesting if it stopped being euro-centered. Unfortunately, it may also be much more confusing for the western audience, the huge majority.

[Kuciwalker]

Spiffor, my point is that because America has had such a significant impact one history (regardless of whether or not it has had the MOST significant; note that I said "perhaps"), it deserves to be in.

[Spiffor]

And I agree with your statement.

[Rasputin]

nice to see agreement.

[yellowdaddy]

spiffor - remember that Napoleon got his enlightened arse plugged by pansy Brits like Nelson and Wellington, and then spread his French enlightenment to a tiny British island in the South Atlantic.

There is simply no way that France can claim to have had anywhere near as much influence on the world as Britain - it's something the Froggies have a hard time dealing with. (I snipped my rant, but I can back it up all the way mon petit chou!)

Trying to be as subjective as possible I'd probably compare the French to the Arabs in terms of their impact on human civilisation.

(I'm guessing this is what Skywalker means by trolling?)
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But yeah - the Khmers have never been in Civ (and they had a significant empire), some more African ones - Ethiopia, Zimbabwe, Hausa (Kanem-Bornu and Songhay) would be nice for the brothers.
Native American ones have finally got a mention beyond the Aztecs and Sioux, with the intro of Maya and Inca civs.

I think America should be in, but only in scenarios...
...for me, I'm dissatisfied with the whole Romans v Americans thing in the game, and I would like to see a bit more ethnolinguistic authenticity, perhaps having key points in history (ages or eras) where you can enter the game with a choice of appropriate Civs (I suppose this is like scenarios). I'd like the Romans to start off as the Italics, then become the Latins, with one branch becoming the Italians - so there's no "Roman Space Force", same with the Americans so there'd be no American Phalanxes.
Hence I've submitted my detailed tribal evolution tree to the "Clash of the Civilisations" game, as it's shaping up to be a lot more interesting that Civ 4 is ever likely to be.

of course, player choice is important, and I think Skywalker should have every opportunity to start with his Yankie civ in the neolithic era if he really wants to. But not as a standard option.. please!