Destiny of Empires II [Organization Thread]

[OzzyKP]

You should arrange a sub before you disappear for two weeks. Or at least let us know how long you'll be gone and whether you are coming back or not.

[Calanthian]

@MNGoldenEagle:

I'm gone for only 15 turns (or something like that) and suddenly my people are up in arms! Not sure what's going on there. Anyway, I'm back now.

Multiple posts on the subject have been made, without any reaction from you..

Arnelos:

Is there no player for Korea? Been several turns where that one hasn't been played and there's now 7 hours left on the clock with only Korea left to go.

and myself a couple of times:

China is deeply worried about the continuing unrest in Korea.
There have been rumours that the Korean government is in disarray.

Message to Korean government officials: please contact us as quickly as possible.

A small Chinese expeditionary force has moved into the Wosan region, to control it.
The moment we are contacted by the rightful rulers of Korea, we are prepared to transfer control immediately.

That said, in the spirit of sportsmanship I am prepared to stop the invasion and transfer Wosan back to you.



PS. By not playing, without sub, all other players have to wait the full turn timer until the turn flips..

[Sommerswerd]

Thats interesting approach ...


On another issue:
So, I have to shoot it pointblank - who was you in DoF?

Me? In DoF? Was that the one where Russia and Germany kept fighting huge wars with scores of allies on all sides? If so, I was India.

That was DoE... And yeah you were great as India.

[DNK]

Wait, did China take Korea's land while he was away? I need to pay closer attention, I guess.

[1889]

I am on vacation and remarkably this place has no wireless conection. Fortunatly I can play at my brothers place a few blocks away but we are running around having "fun" (as much fun as you can have on a vacation organizing four families with kids) and I can not check in as often as usual. Also with the game going down so much I may miss my ony oppertunity that day. Long story short, could the turn timer please be set to max through this next weekend until I get back home, August 15? Thanks.

[OzzyKP]

****ing hell, France has disappeared again. Lz!!!!

[DNK]

Le sigh.

[LzPrst]

i have not disappeared, I am running a laissez faire government... (queuing)

it just so happens, that I am visiting family at the moment and as such I am very very busy. on Monday I will return home and France will be run more meticulously.

[LzPrst]

also. DoF, I was France. had great fun all game, fought a border skirmish with Spain that ended up being a drawn out conflict ending in Spain's destruction. in the meantime I also plotted an invasion of carthage in cooperation with Rome that never materialized.

However, upon smashing through Spain's final defences, my huge army was gone the next turn I logged in. Portugal had built a hidden railsystem in Spain's south and destroyed my entire army in a single turn. At that point I realized I was doomed, I had no troops, was technologically inferior and had an inferior economy. the shock of it was too much. I gave up and told Portugal that I surrendered and left the game. I could have fought a drawn out survival to the finish, but the military situation was equivalent to throwing spears at tanks, so I gave up.

in hindsight, I should have just taken some cold turkey time, but not sure if that game had that option...

[LzPrst]

also. regarding various people's absences in this game... I do suspect that the lack of activity both in the story and diplomatic arenas makes the game a little stale, resulting in people putting their interest in it on a low burn. I didn't even catch that Russia was gone until my explorer found Byzantine cities in the Urals.

[Sommerswerd]

Two comments...r

DoB is picking up steam and could use a couple players if anyone is interested.

I am available to sub if any subs are wanted/needed to keep this game viable... We Diplogamers need to stick together right?

[LzPrst]

We got ourselves a Out of Sync error...

[Hercules]

Play your turn seems to be not up to date.

Edit: In fact pyt 'list of games' seems to be down. Or is it just me.

Can't find DOE2 on civstats.

[DNK]

I am resigning from this game. It's just not what I had expected. Although the past week of activity (that I missed due to vacation) has been hopeful, the game's been fairly dead since the first few weeks, and I fully expect it to return to such a state soon. I took on the Khmer by choice, despite knowing that they were by far the most-behind civ in the game, simply due to wanting to role-play the position out as in DoE1 (as I live in Vietnam currently). Unfortunately, this game has been quite the opposite of DoE1 in the diplomacy/RP realm, and I see little reason to continue soldiering on given that I'm fairly on the periphery. Without an ability to really do good story-telling, I have no interest in the diplogame format.

The civ is in decent enough shape if someone wants a little challenge, and I've certainly built it up well enough to compete with the non-Chinese neighbors, so it's quite playable still. This isn't Zulu in DoE1 by any means. But the diplogame setup NEEDS diplomacy and story-telling to be enjoyable and worth my time, and this game lacks both. I have additional reasons, but these should suffice as explanation.

[LzPrst]

he has a point...

i.e. there is very little RP and Story going on.

[Exploit]

Without monthly voting on stories there seems to be little incentive to write stories. There really does not seem to be a clear objective as to how to win this game since no vote means you cannot win by being the best storyteller and because of the diplogame rules (which may or may not exist since the rules were never worked out) you cannot easily achieve several of the victory conditions like eliminate all rivals or world domination. The game is in limbo and simply moving forward by inertia.

I recommend implementing monthly voting on storytelling to stimulate stories and revive the game however I am not going to be the one to organize the vote.

[Hercules]

Without monthly voting on stories there seems to be little incentive to write stories. There really does not seem to be a clear objective as to how to win this game since no vote means you cannot win by being the best storyteller and because of the diplogame rules (which may or may not exist since the rules were never worked out) you cannot easily achieve several of the victory conditions like eliminate all rivals or world domination. The game is in limbo and simply moving forward by inertia.

I recommend implementing monthly voting on storytelling to stimulate stories and revive the game however I am not going to be the one to organize the vote.

I agree with the analysis and solution but would also add in the difficulty with the presence of 3-4 AI and how they are

dealt with.

[DNK]

I assume they wouldn't get votes.

[Hercules]

I meant how they might influence the balances of power.

[Exploit]

The remaining AIs are weak and ineffectual. The game is on noble setting so they will produce at the same pace as the players so there is no unfair advantage from allying or conquering them. The worst of the damage has already been done with Arabia collapsing easily to give the Byzantines a huge advantage. All that remains is to use them in your storyline as you see fit.

Now about setting up that voting system. Any volunteers?

[LzPrst]

I think Robert is the expert for organizing votes, I'll PM him and ask for some help.

[OzzyKP]

I am quite sorry to do this, especially now with DNK leaving, but I need to leave as well. I know it sucks since I organized this game in the first place, and I really do enjoy the map and the scenario and all, but I just really need a break from civ. I just played my turn and queued up some builds, but hopefully you can find someone to take over for me soon. Sorry again.

[Exploit]

With Ozzy leaving the game, I recommend that his Byzantines be turned to AI. Essentially with the weak AI play of Arabia, the Byzantines were able to become the powerhouse that Arabia was meant to be in the scenario. The original scenario as I understood it was supposed to be the players jockeying for advantage against each other while coordinating against the AI. The Byzantines are sufficiently powerful, own most of Arabia (crucially Jerusalem) and have enough of a tech lead that they would pose a solid challenge. The race to control Jerusalem would be back on again!

I think this solution would help revive interest in the game (along with monthly story voting).

[DNK]

Agreed with Exploit. TIME FOR THE CRUSADES

[Hercules]

With PYT down still and no indication if it will be back, could someone add the game to Civstats.

[Calanthian]

Agreed with Exploit. TIME FOR THE CRUSADES

Now you confuse me.. are you in or out of the game?

[LzPrst]

ack... shall we bugger on? the balance in this game has been seriously off for quite a long time now.

[DNK]

Out, but a good idea is a good one. I'll stop commenting on this game now

[Exploit]

ack... shall we bugger on? the balance in this game has been seriously off for quite a long time now.

I certainly want to continue. Byzantium and China are way ahead of me but I feel I can make a decent game of it, especially if Byzantium is turned into an AI. It will take a lot of team work to bring Byzantium down but it can be done and I like the challenge.

If we can get the story voting going then balance is not an issue since the game will be determined by storytelling. Can we also get whoever has quit to turn their civs to AI please?

[LzPrst]

We should throw up some voting system for September then.