Gingrich says he's considering presidential run

[Ben Kenobi]

What does that even mean?

It means that his foreign policy was not directed at defeating the Soviet Union. His foreign policy is generally regarded as an unmitigated disaster.

I dont know about that either, I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat and dont care much about partisan politics. But it remains a fact, arming the Afghans to create a Vietnam for Mother Russia started under Carter.

By funding and financing Osama Bin Laden. That worked out pretty well in the end, didn't it?

You're here blaming Carter... Now in a debate over worst presidents we cant blame Bush? DAMN RIGHT I will blame him for what he did.

I don't blame Carter for Reagan's mistakes.

He lied us into war, they might have shot him 200 years ago for that, not pat him on the back.

How did he lie? They were and continue to fund terrorism.

[Dinner]

By "supporting the USSR" Ben means selling them food at market rates to prevent famine. You know... Exactly what his hero Ronald Reagan did.

I don't blame Carter for Reagan's mistakes.

You just did, numbnut.

[Elok]

I told my dad about this, and I think his response is mostly correct: he's more electable in the generals than Palin, but she's stronger in the primaries. Whichever wins, they'll do each other considerable damage in the primary fight, so this is a good thing for Democrats.

I don't think either of them stands a chance in a general election if Obama holds to his present course of being a mediocre but not utterly horrible president. I don't think he'll really move to the center, but he seems more a lot more capable of learning from his mistakes than Bush was. Whether he's defeatable depends largely on the Tea Party, oddly enough: if they hold onto their influence, the GOP will elect a brazen nutbar whom anyone short of Hitler could beat. If they don't, someone capable of moderation will win and our incumbent will have a real fight on his hands.

[Berzerker]

It means that his foreign policy was not directed at defeating the Soviet Union. His foreign policy is generally regarded as an unmitigated disaster.

His policy was directed at getting Russia to overextend in the 3rd world like we did the previous decade while also reducing our exposure - it worked and Reagan continued the policy. Was Reagan an unmitigated disaster too?

By funding and financing Osama Bin Laden. That worked out pretty well in the end, didn't it?

OBL was a fundraiser and I have strong suspicions we were funding him too. but both Dems and Repubs deny that. And the reason that didn't work out too well is what happened under Bush-Clinton-Bush. The Russians finally left Afghanistan and the Muslims who were fighting them turned around and saw us sitting in Saudi Arabia and refusing to leave.

I don't blame Carter for Reagan's mistakes.

You dont credit him for the policy Reagan continued either

How did he lie? They were and continue to fund terrorism.

We invaded Iraq because we were told Saddam had reconstituted a nuclear weapons program and was planning to nuke us soon. I suspect one reason we went after Saddam was Bush's bungling in Afghanistan left us nation building there with no war on terror to actually fight since the enemy ran away to Pakistan where they're still thumbing their noses at us.

[Hauldren Collider]

Newt Gingrich

[Hauldren Collider]

Jimmy Carter isn't, to my knowledge, a communist, so I'm not sure why people would say he "supported the USSR"

His foreign policy was absolutely catastrophic, so in some sense he did support them, though not intentionally.

[Hauldren Collider]

yup

and Carter was a decent Prez, in his "exclusive" realm of governance - foreign policy - he kept us out of 3rd world civil wars in spite of right wing critics while the Russians started bleeding in Afghanistan. The cold war ended a decade later largely because of US policies started under Carter and continued under Reagan. I had to go read the article to see who Newt was honoring as the worst and it wasn't either Bush (the son is my nominee) or Clinton, the 3 guys most responsible for 9/11. It was Obama? Wtf? I aint exactly a fan but I do know the guy walked into several messes thanks to these clowns.

Is this a joke?

Carter was remarkable in that he had literally NO major successes EXCEPT in the camp david accords.

[SlowwHand]

He has no chance of winning so I'm all for it.

If it's him against Obama, I hate to differ, but you're wrong.
No way Obama makes a second term. No way.

[SlowwHand]

Carter was supportive of the USSR. Why would he try to defeat them.

I find it interesting that every successful Republican policy started with a democrat, and every unsuccessful democrat policy started with the republican.

Aren't you getting a bit tired of blaming Bush?

Bush was a good man and a good president. I miss him. Sure, he made mistakes, but who hasn't?

Oh, Hell yes.



He may not be an eloquent speaker, but unless you're just being a horse's ass and pretending, you know what he means.

[Dinner]

If it's him against Obama, I hate to differ, but you're wrong.
No way Obama makes a second term. No way.

He's a shoe in. His approval rating is still higher then 50% (which most Presidents don't maintain for so long) and the best the G-NO-P can muster is Palin or Gingrich.

[DinoDoc]

He's a shoe in. His approval rating is still higher then 50%

Stop being such a damned liar.

RCP Average 6/17 - 7/11 -- (Approve)47.1 (Disapprove)47.1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

[MRT144]

Can Gingrich get past the crazies of the republican party? Seriously, Newt is too ****ing sane for them.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'd take Romney over Newt, though Newt would be better than *shudder* Huckabee (although Huckabee would be a lot better if he actually said he believed in evolution).

[Hauldren Collider]

Yeah, Huckabee would be great if he didn't believe religion belonged in politics

[Imran Siddiqui]

And Huckabee is better than Palin (by a factor of 10 million)