For those who like to criticize the Mac Mini. . .
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HAVE A DAY.
<--- Quote by Former U.S. President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
If I was going to be a new computer, I'd consider a Mac.
Originally posted by Verto
If I was going to be a new computer, I'd consider a Mac.
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Some good points with regard to the video card, but the 9200 really isn't much either, considering the video RAM. Also, he has an excellent point with regard to XP Home. Who really uses XP Home?
The biggest difference between the two is that the Mac Mini has a 1.2 GHz G4 processor, which is pretty underpowered compared to a 2.4 GHz Celeron. He says it's a wash, but I don't believe it. If they only would have made the Mac Mini slightly higher powered (say a 1.8 GHz chip) and 512Mb video card, it would be a lustworthy box for $500. As it stands, Microsoft is going to come out with 3 GHz dual core processor XBox 2 and charge $300 or whatever for it. Maybe they will even put out a PC version of the XBox 2.
Also, I'm annoyed that Apple didn't include an SPDIF output. The author didn't mention that the Dell probably comes with one, but the Mac Mini doesn't.
Last edited by DanS; January 19, 2005 at 22:13.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Who really uses XP Home?
Umm... me...
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Well, I guess I'm proven wrong on that point.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
XP Home.... HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Worthless crap
Keep on Civin'
RIP Baron O
What's the difference between Home and Professional? I've used both, and have noticed little differences.
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
The problem for the Mac Mini is at the end of the day it's still a Mac. I notice that the writer doesn't mention the scarcity and greater expense of software for the Mac, or the scarcity and greater expense of many after market upgrades. But hey, if Mac's are your bag baby, by all means enjoy.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
Networking abilities, and the way that users are controlled.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What's the difference between Home and Professional? I've used both, and have noticed little differences.
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It's tempting to get a Mini-Mac, simply because if I start using my Athlon beast again I'll waste most of my time playing games and such-like(I'm currently working on a P133 laptop). A computer that doesn't have LAGGG when I'm typing, and can sync my iPod and Camera, yet doesn't play games very well, would be really, really useful.
Also, it would look cool.
Should I get a Mini-Mac?
Res ipsa loquitur
XP has no real selling points.
Banana
Mini Mac has no real selling points. It is a pile of crap crammed into one small pretty box. The guy said something about apples and oranges, yet he goes ahead and compares the Mini Mac with the Dell. The dell is faster in almost every respect, and graphics cards are pretty cheap (especially if you have them added on). For those thinking about getting a Mini Mac. Would you spend $499 on a useless crappy paper weight?
I agree with Imran. I use Win XP Home and it works fine, except for user accounts. Most people don't need XP Pro.
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The article is funny.
For $499 you can get a computer without a monitor, without a mouse, and without a keyboard.
For $399 you can get a faster computer with a monitor, with a mouse, and with a keyboard (and with much more available software...)
Where's the triumph here for Apple?
The Mac Mini's strong point is it's tiny, not that it's cost effective. The Mac fanatics should focus on that, instead of trying to spin clearly better deals as worse ones.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Wait a minute I thought it included a monitor? WTF? Oh forget it then. This isn't even a budget computer anymore.
Why don't they compare the $499 Dell to the $499 Mac? Wouldn't this make more sense?
Mac mini Dell Dimension 3000 $499 $499 1.25GHz PowerPC G4 processor 2.80GHz Intel Pentium 4 processor 256MB single-channel DDR RAM (supports up to 1GB) 512MB dual-channel DDR RAM (supports up to 2GB) ATI Radeon 9200 (32MB dedicated VRAM) Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 (uses system RAM for video) 40GB hard drive 40GB hard drive Slot-loading Combo Drive (DVD-ROM/CDRW) DVD-ROM (read-only) drive One FireWire 400 port no FireWire (PCs don't need FireWire...$30 if you want) Two USB 2.0 ports Six USB 2.0 ports 10/100BASE-T Ethernet 10/100BASE-T Ethernet 56K V.92 modem 56K PCI Data Fax Modem AirPort Extreme- and Bluetooth-ready No wireless Audio out Integrated audio Operating System: Mac OS X 10.3 Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition Software:
Stock OS X apps, iLife '05, AppleWorks, Quicken 2005, Nanosaur 2,
Marble Blast Gold. (Not to mention TextEdit, which has limited Word
compatibility.)Software: Internet Explorer, WordPerfect, Paint
Shop Pro Studio trial, Photo Album Starter Edition, Dell Jukebox,
Acrobat Reader 6.0One-year warranty 90-day warranty ($19 for 1-year) No display 19-inch Dell E773c CRT display OR 15" LCD display No keyboard/mouse Dell keyboard/mouse
No contest from a price standpoint. Not to mention the Dell also comes with stuff like 6 months of free internet service.
To give an idea how lopsided the performance is...
SPECint2000 benchmarks:
1.25GHz G4: 384
2.8GHz P4: 970
SPECfp2000 benchmarks:
1.25GHz G4: 234
2.8GHz P4: 938
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"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Actually, it's tri-core, not dual-core.Originally posted by DanS
The biggest difference between the two is that the Mac Mini has a 1.2 GHz G4 processor, which is pretty underpowered compared to a 2.4 GHz Celeron. He says it's a wash, but I don't believe it. If they only would have made the Mac Mini slightly higher powered (say a 1.8 GHz chip) and 512Mb video card, it would be a lustworthy box for $500. As it stands, Microsoft is going to come out with 3 GHz dual core processor XBox 2 and charge $300 or whatever for it. Maybe they will even put out a PC version of the XBox 2.
And they'll be based on a Power5 derivative with multithreading, a step above the current G5s.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Well, in any event, even with the Dimension 3000, the Mac Mini stands up very well (and is better in several respects), except with regard to CPU power and memory. The Radeon 9200 is a lot better than the Intel integrated graphics, for instance.
I'm inclined to discount the monitor. I wouldn't even want a CRT or 15" LCD on my desk.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
No, it's not -- that system is heavily bottlenecked by the incredibly slow CPU, a faster graphics doesn't do anything. I'm not even going to mention how useless a "good" graphics card is on a value system, especially a Mac like this is.Originally posted by DanS
Well, in any event, even with the Dimension 3000, the Mac Mini stands up very well (and is better in several respects), except with regard to CPU power. The Radeon 9200 is a lot better than the Intel integrated graphics, for instance.
The people who buy the Mac Mini or Dell Dimension 3000 aren't doing 3D gaming, period...especially if they have a Mac, where 3D games are hard to find.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
There's America's Army
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
Well, if nobody is doing 3D gaming with either system, then the Mac Mini is quite OK -- indeed a 2.8 GHz CPU is extreme overkill. The Mac Mini will handle everything except video encoding just fine.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Isn't the whole concept of the Mac a multimedia system today ("digital lifestyle"...)?Originally posted by DanS
Well, if nobody is doing 3D gaming with either system, then the Mac Mini is quite OK -- indeed a 2.8 GHz CPU is extreme overkill. The Mac Mini will handle everything except video encoding just fine.
You know, organizing massive amounts of photos with iPhoto, making movies with iMovie, etc?
OS X itself is slow and bloated on systems with slow memory (Mac Mini) and slow processors (G4...)
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Another XP Home user.
It's because it came preinstalled on my notebook and I didn't want to go pirate nor pay for the damn thing.
(PCs don't need FireWire...$30 if you want)
What's so shocking?
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Most people I know use either XP Home or some Linux version on their personal computers.
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok
Well, I for one, wouldn't want to miss firewire. My digital video camera has a firewire connection and right now I have my gf's and my notebook connected through it.
It was the cheapest solution and there is a nice firewire-ip driver in windows already.
It's extremely rare for a Windows user to need Firewire, which is why it's usually not a default option. It's available for $30 for those who need it.Originally posted by Atahualpa
Well, I for one, wouldn't want to miss firewire. My digital video camera has a firewire connection and right now I have my gf's and my notebook connected through it.
It was the cheapest solution and there is a nice firewire-ip driver in windows already.
Firewire is mostly a Mac thing, and also for Digital Video. It's actually categorized under "Video Editing' on Dell's site.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Well, I for one, wouldn't want to miss firewire. My digital video camera has a firewire connection and right now I have my gf's and my notebook connected through it.
It was the cheapest solution and there is a nice firewire-ip driver in windows already.
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