expansion pack ideas

[Sirotnikov]

Oy
I feel a new discussionabout hebrew / israeli civ coming on

btw, do they have arabs?
I'm not updated on this.

If they don't - they should.

[One_Dead_Villy]

Not Arab specifically...

Turks are the closest thing they have in RoN...
I would like to see a Persian civ (not arab again) but would be good for the ancient ages
I suppose a Saracen civ like in AOK would be good.

[tniem]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Oy
I feel a new discussionabout hebrew / israeli civ coming on

I will not touch it with a ten foot pole.

However, I will say that the U.S. should not be in Rise of Nations. This is a game about starting out as an ancient tribe. The U.S. has nothing like that - no logical procession to today from ancient times. I would vote no on adding the U.S.

[Canuck]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Oy
I feel a new discussionabout hebrew / israeli civ coming on


btw, do they have arabs?
I'm not updated on this.

If they don't - they should.

Shalom

No, no Arab civs. The Egyptians or the Turks are as close as it gets.

[HuangShang]

Turkey (as a nation) seem to socialize far more w/ Europe then the middle east, its amazing there not in the EU

[One_Dead_Villy]

ya well the turks have always wanted to be a part of europe rather then the middle east...but the historical fact of the matter is that they are a muslim country, and I think old europe still has a bit of a prejudice against them for that. But i think its a mistake to do that, here is a democratic secular muslim state, something that the western powers want to see in the rest of the middle east. If they arent even at least given a bone for playing the game the way we want, it just isnt fair, nor advantages for us, and send a wrong message to them and other Muslim countries who are moderates.

[Sirotnikov]

Well there should be some arab civ, along with a hebrew one.

[Canuck]

Originally posted by One_Dead_Villy
ya well the turks have always wanted to be a part of europe rather then the middle east...but the historical fact of the matter is that they are a muslim country, and I think old europe still has a bit of a prejudice against them for that. But i think its a mistake to do that, here is a democratic secular muslim state, something that the western powers want to see in the rest of the middle east. If they arent even at least given a bone for playing the game the way we want, it just isnt fair, nor advantages for us, and send a wrong message to them and other Muslim countries who are moderates.

I don't think the time is quite right to label Turkey a democratic secular state. If it wasn't for the army, the fragile Turkish infrastructure would probably collapse. The current government is an Islamic one, and the people continue to show a strong anti-western sentiment. Certainly the country's strong relationship with America may be one of the reasons the major countries in the EU appear to be resentful of the Turks.

[One_Dead_Villy]

well...ya that too
but you can say that the current U.S. or European governments a Christian government as well, especially the current U.S. administration's penchant to invoke God, and promote faith based initiative in social programs. The important distinction is that they are in power while it is back by military to create stability. There is at least nominal nod to the separation of church and state, and they do have elections which arent just confirming the same dictator into power, and arent rules by Mullahs or Ayatolahs.

as a Canadian, i am sure you know WE like to have our own little digs at the States as well. i wouldnt catagorize the Turkish state by public sentiments (especially in this climate of war).

[Canuck]

Yeah, anti-americanism seems to be a fast growing trend these days. Even so, the Turkish democracy is on thin ice imo. I know torture is still a widely accepted practice, and various international organizations have slammed the Turks for additional human rights abuses.

[Canuck]

Still, you make a good point in saying that we should be thankful that Turkey isn't in the vice grip of fundamental Islam.

[Immortal Wombat]

ARRAYS!

[One_Dead_Villy]

MATRICES!

[Immortal Wombat]

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by tniem

I will not touch it with a ten foot pole.

However, I will say that the U.S. should not be in Rise of Nations. This is a game about starting out as an ancient tribe. The U.S. has nothing like that - no logical procession to today from ancient times. I would vote no on adding the U.S.

In that spirit there should be a levantine semites civ - that would cover Hebrews, Phoenicians, etc. AOE/ROR added Carthaginians when AOE already had Phoenicians!!!!!