Yin was right. Take a look at Rise of Nations

[Apocalypse]

Most other RTSs just had one or two minor innovations if any. The same basic premise was present in every game though, fight your way to victory. Games like C&C and SC are dominated by preplaned tricks like rushing and don't required you to plan for any unforseen changes, unlike what proponents of the subgenre say. RoN brings true change.

[Sirotnikov]

Imran, so Civ III is a clone of Civ?

After all, it didn't innovate that much.

Civ III practically ruined the game. It streamlined it too much, and yet left alot of problems.

Most game functions don't even have buttons. I must remember the short-cut key. So much for streamlining.


RoN is very very innovating. Just as Civ was to the TBS era, I think.

True, it owes some of that to AoE and WarCraft. But still, it improves enough to call it a ground breaker.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, so Civ III is a clone of Civ?

Well duh! It's a sequel, hence a clone.

RoN is very very innovating. Just as Civ was to the TBS era, I think.

Sig material!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
Games like C&C and SC are dominated by preplaned tricks like rushing and don't required you to plan for any unforseen changes, unlike what proponents of the subgenre say.

Really? Are you sure they don't require you to plan for the fact that a rush might fail? It happens more often than not when playing a good player.

[Apocalypse]

Most people have backup plans when rushes fail. Still doesn't require you to think on your feet.

[Sarxis]

Re: Re: Wrong forum.

Originally posted by loinburger


Clearly, you haven't seen all of the "MOO3 will be the greatest game of all time!" and "Let's all thank the MOO3 design team for making such a great game!" threads on the MOO3 forum.

I hate you.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I call it a clone because it is one. What are the new things? Resources don't deplete, borders, combined arms? *yawn* They should called it Empire Earth II or Age of Empires III and be done with it.

I don't need to play it to consider it a clone. Empire Earth was a close and so is this.

I have to agree with Imran on this one. Since many of the ideas to make new original games are fading away, a game interface has a crucial part in a game experience.
And looking to the RoN screenshots, it's really like AoE, AoK or EE!

[Zoid]

Imran, isn´t everything a clone of something else when you really really get down to basics? One could argue that every computer game is a clone of Pong since what you really do is moving objetcts on the screen to reach a certain goal. What I mean is that everything builds on everything else, therefore the discussion of clones is more or less pointless.

Am I making any sense? (Disregard my twisted commie-view of the world )

[ColdFever]

Originally posted by Zealot
a game interface has a crucial part in a game experience.
And looking to the RoN screenshots, it's really like AoE, AoK or EE

An interface indeed is a crucial part, but a good game is like a good car: most of the quality is hidden below the surface. Just because two cars do look similar and have a similar cockpit they can be very different to drive.

But I agree in the form that I am looking forward to see some screenshots of the game options or the diplomatic handling so that we can get some hints what is "below the hood".

[Apocalypse]

Well, that interface is good. Would rather have a lesser interface just so that it would be different?

[Cookie Monster]

Despite what anyone says and no matter what features are promised with this game one thing still remains. Based on the current screenshots what I see here is nothing more than an AoE/AoK clone. I'm sorry but a few more features and subtle differences do not make a ground breaking new game. RTS is RTS. Europa Universalis is the only RTS a TRUE STRATEGY GAMER would dare touch. Give me my TBS game.

If you're a teenager than RTS is great for you but us old people don't want another clickfest.

Of course feel free to disagree with me. I will keep an open mind because you never know...........

[Leonidas]

Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich
Despite what anyone says and no matter what features are promised with this game one thing still remains. Based on the current screenshots what I see here is nothing more than an AoE/AoK clone. I'm sorry but a few more features and subtle differences do not make a ground breaking new game. RTS is RTS. Europa Universalis is the only RTS a TRUE STRATEGY GAMER would dare touch. Give me my TBS game.

If you're a teenager than RTS is great for you but us old people don't want another clickfest.

Of course feel free to disagree with me. I will keep an open mind because you never know...........

Haupt. Dietrich: I agree with everything you say.

As a person gets older (wiser?) TBS games will always look more appealing. RTS will usually always appeal to the younger, more agile gamers.

I will say this for BR and Company: at least they are taking the time to really playtest and polish RoN. This is practically unheard of in this day and age. Microsoft is bankrolling this game, so it must have a lot of confidence in this company and the game.

Because of this, I will keep an open mind and have a look at the game/demo when it comes out.

Even so, the game will still be RTS; it will "rush" through the ages in about an hour; and a game will be playable in about an hour. I really don't expect a great deal of depth from a game like this.

It might still be fun and playable - but obviously it's geared for the younger players and for online play.

I'm just hoping that with the obvious talent in BHG that they will consider making some true strategy games in the future, once they establish themselves and have made some money.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Apocalypse
Most people have backup plans when rushes fail. Still doesn't require you to think on your feet.

You haven't played that many good people, have you?

[Apocalypse]

Well, no. I do talk with many people who play them a great deal. You see, RTSs don't generally appeal to me, until now.

[FrostyBoy]

Grass is grass, plains are plains, trees are trees, water is water, of course it looks like a clone, if it wasn't, I'd be worried.

And how many angles of view can you use? Straight down? boring, hard to distinquish what's what. Horizontally? Yeah right. I'm sorry, but perspective wins.

Sorry negative people, but computers today don't exactly offer an unlimited supply of styles before it gets ridiculous.

I think RoN is fine so far, but the gameplay we will ALL have to wait and see, let no one judge by the cover and the text; not yet anyway.