Powerful and Weak Civs

[Fayadi]

What do you think are the powerful and weak civs of RON?

Powerful Civs
Turkey-Cheap citizes,artillery range and los bonus and faster city assimilation,free 2 siege units per factory


Weak Civs-

Maya-Building bonus are useless craps.
Greeks-Scientific bonus arent that great.The factors that led you advance is the resources(esp wealth)

As for the rest of the civ's they are pretty well balanced and nice maybe(but not to my playing style).Used to play the Chinese and the British but I find(personally) Turkey is a stronger civ

IMO,German economic bonuses and Russian's attrition overrated

[AKoH_Grenor]

Maya is one of the strongest civ in game. Greeks are pretty strong if played the right way. Imo rusians are a bit underpowered, but it's possible that i just play them the wrong way.

[Ctulu]

Re: Powerful and Weak Civs

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[Ctulu]

Re: Powerful and Weak Civs

Just because you can't and/or don't like to play with some nations doesn't make them weaker compared to others!

Use their traits to their absolute potential and you can turn every nation into a good oiled warmachine

Greeks have a total bonus of cost reduction/speed research of 80/170%, while most other nations have a standard 70/70% bonus (10/10% * 7 science level)
the 50% cost reduction of libraries/universities is also good, the less spent on one thing, the more to spend on anything else. And don't tell me that libraries/universities aren't that important. You need AT LEAST have 2 libraries, and a university with EACH city!
They may not outclass any other nation military wise, but they'll certainly out-age every last one of them! Even the Chinese-Turks, who have research bonuses!

Out-age = advanced units = beat the crap out of the other even if he has UU's

Mayan's seem maybe not powerfull but then again they are. Again a resource bonus, 33% of timber, again more to spend on something else! 50% thougher = longetivity of a building surpasses buildings of every one else! 50% faster = less time spend for a citizen, so he's faster back on resource gathering! They should even be better then the Egyptians at building wonders, although they don't have a cost reduction for wonders and 2 slots per city! They should outbuild an egyptian purely on speed! Even the egyptians wonder cost reduction is less powerfull (25%) then the Mayan's on every other building!

Oh yeah Farms are also considered as buildings!!!


Just think about every trait and how tu (ab)use it!!

[Fayadi]

Re: Re: Powerful and Weak Civs

Originally posted by Ctulu
Just because you can't and/or don't like to play with some nations makes them weaker compared to others!

Use their traits to their absolute potential and you can turn every nation into a good oiled warmachine

Greeks have a total bonus of cost reduction/speed research of 80/170%, while most other nations have a standard 70/70% bonus (10/10% * 7 science level)
the 50% cost reduction of libraries/universities is also good, the less spent on one thing, the more to spend on anything else. And don't tell me that libraries/universities aren't that important. You need AT LEAST have 2 libraries, and a university with EACH city!
They may not outclass any other nation military wise, but they'll certainly out-age every last one of them! Even the Chinese-Turks, who have research bonuses!

Out-age = advanced units = beat the crap out of the other even if he has UU's

Mayan's seem maybe not powerfull but then again they are. Again a resource bonus, 33% of timber, again more to spend on something else! 50% thougher = longetivity of a building surpasses buildings of every one else! 50% faster = less time spend for a citizen, so he's faster back on resource gathering! They should even be better then the Egyptians at building wonders, although they don't have a cost reduction for wonders and 2 slots per city! They should outbuild an egyptian purely on speed! Even the egyptians wonder cost reduction is less powerfull (25%) then the Mayan's on every other building!

Just think about every trait and how tu (ab)use it!!

You cant research anything if you dont have resources,Greek has no economic bonuses.That is a disadvantage.SO what if u advance faster but you have no money to research?

Advancing to soon without units is useless too,6 musketeer cant beat 10 over arqubuiser.Advancing with a strong economy and army sounds more logical.Ppl with huge resources can advance through the ages quite fast too.

Turkey has the ability to produce cheap citizens,you can produce more workers in the early game to jumpstart your economy.
Plus 2 free artillery with each factory make the bonus more attractive than Aztec or mongol's free units.
+3 range and LOS means you get super range for all your artillery.Faster assimilation is a terrific bonus too

It makes sense that all the nations are pretty well balanced but some nations just "a litttle bit" more weaker than some.I think it is a good idea if we can discuss our favourite and least favourite civs here.
I have named mine ,what about yours?

[Ctulu]

Absolute Favorites:
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• Nubians (my number 1)
  Chinese (my former nr 1)
  Inca's
  Aztec's
  Maya's
  Turks
  Egyptians
  French
  British

Favorites: the rest

Least Favorites: none


(list sorted in order of prefference)

[Q Classic]

the ones i play most often and am most used to are the chinese, koreans, and germans.

[la0tsu]

I must confess I have been lax in trying different nations. I have played the Germans once (lost quite badly) and the Bantu every other time (Much more success). The Bantu Rock!

[Inverse Icarus]

the greeks can collect knowledge from the beginning of the game, thats a huge bonus. before a normal civ advances to age 2, their research costs are only in terms of food, wealth, and wood. the greeks have knowledge, which reduces the costs of the techs.

this essentially lets them get some or all of the lvl 2 techs in the ancient age for much cheaper than anyone else. that, along with the speed, gives them an early boom.

even if you play normally with them, building up knowledge from the beginning is awesome. kowledge is harder to get than wealth warly game.

i don't like the greeks, but i can play them with their strengths.

[Inverse Icarus]

and as for me,

favorites: inca, bantu, egypt
like: china, french, turks, rome, mongol, aztecs

and the others i dont like too much, but i still realize their strengths. i don't like them because they don't fit my style, thats all.

[Ctulu]

Originally posted by Uber KruX
and the others i dont like too much, but i still realize their strengths. i don't like them because they don't fit my style, thats all.

You understand what this game is about, TY!

ps: close up the camera to a river fight, the blood streams away with the flow ! (just recenly saw this by accident because 99% of the time I'm zoomed out)

[Poogas]

I hate these threads for the same reasons as others have said befor me.... There is no Weak Civ, and no Strong civ, it all depends on your playing style. I bet you anything, the Civ you labeled weak will come back and kick your ass with the right player one day down the road on MP.

The more logical question I beleive would be which is the weak civ for the particular strategy in question.

[Signa]

The nations are like my childrens... I like them ALL!

It's like in SC how the races are almost perfectly balanced. But how BHG managed to do that with 18 nations I can't fathom... Plus they will have to add 6 to 10 in an XP...

[Fayadi]

Well yeah you all have convinced me,RON has done a good job balancing the 16 civ
Something about Maya,I dont understand what's so good about building bonuses when you can get better economic or military bonuses.
Greek may sounds a little bit better after the debate but still at the beginning of the game you wont have much gold to produce scholars anyway.I believe strongly that the factors that led you advance is whether how much resources you have to reseach.I dont know that's my believe,but I have been quite convinced that the civs are on the average well balanced that makes me more love this game
IMO,Maya and Greek playing style wont be liked by many people who would have preferred other civ with more attractive(better may the game sound unbalanced) military or economic bonuses

[Fayadi]

I think that the topic of this thread will make the game sound unbalanced.WHY not we discuss our favourite and less favourite civs here?

Favourite
1.Turks
2.Chinese
3.British
4.French

Less Favourite
1.Maya
2.Greek