Where are the arabs ??

[MahoTsukai]

Wow so much false facts, whic is even astounding is that we are on APOLYTON, where most people did play civ and not starcraft

Turks (anatolians, Hittites) are NOT arabs (who are closer to hebrews than anything else), nor are Persians (aryens). FYI there are 1 billion muslims and only 250 millions arabs, Arab is an ethnical group, Islam is a religion, its just as silly as considering every christian country to be of the same race.

Arab history didnt start with Mahomet (nobdoy watched Ben Hur here ?), and even if it did, that was 14 centuries ago ~620 AD.

As for you Mr Omar Khatab, please get you facts straight next time you reply; where did you read that Arabs had very poor armies, ye know the only non european race that occupied Iberia for EIGHT centuries, ye know the race that sent troops to fight at Poitier, France ?? For God's sake where did you read that Allah sent his glorious angels to help with invasions (and its divine not devine http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=devine ) ? How can you say that's a major issue to add arabs (which are over 20 countries FYI, heck its even called the arab world) while Inca, Maya & Aztecs are in the game and were destroyed by 400 conquistadors centuries ago ??


Also Ancient Egypt (as opposed to modern egypt which is indeed 80% arabs) wasnt arabic , this race doesnt exist anymore, and it was mixed with Greeks before arabs invaded it.

The only true -to an extent- fact is that Mongols were buddhist then muslims (thanks to merchants).

Anyway I recommend you to read some history *books* instead of history *comics* as you seem lacking in key parts.

PS: America *should* have been in the game. But as someone said I think they are keeping a couple of cool civs for an x-pack, still sucks to get 4-5 civs of forager/hunters (when compared to america and other major powers).

[Darklighter]

https://www.wordreference.com

Arab ['ærəb]
noun
1 a member of a Semitic people originally inhabiting Arabia, who spread throughout the Middle East, N Africa, and Spain during the seventh and eighth centuries


So, based on this definition and the post above it would be entirely incorrect to state " Where are the Arabs?" (topic subject) Since this is an ethnic group an not a civilization.

[MahoTsukai]

Bantu ['bɑːntʊ, 'bæntuː, bæn'tuː]
noun

2 (plural: -tu, -tus)
a member of any of the indigenous Negroid peoples who inhabit southern, eastern, and central Africa and speak any of these languages


same here, and they are in the game

[MahoTsukai]

Also Civilization is quite a broad term:


civilization, civilisation [ˌsývýlaý'zeýʃən]
noun
1 a human society that has highly developed material and spiritual resources and a complex cultural, political, and legal organization; an advanced state in social development

2 the peoples or nations collectively who have achieved such a state

3 the total culture and way of life of a particular people, nation, region, or period
example: classical civilization

4 the process of bringing or achieving civilization

5 intellectual, cultural, and moral refinement

6 cities or populated areas, as contrasted with sparsely inhabited areas, deserts, etc

[MxM]

In the age of political correctness both US and Arabs were excluded from the game to promote peace in the world of gaming...

[One_Dead_Villy]

u mean mongols now? or mongols back then?
in genghis khans time...they had their own animist religion (tengri the sky god), they are still largely that now. a lot converted to buddhism in the last 500 years.
of course i suppose those who conquered into the middle east converted to islam. but mongol are largely derived from and forms todays' mongolians who are buddhist largely

http://www.owc.org.mn/future_step/about-mongolia.html

[CorpusScorpius]

I love It, Information & Misinformation all in the same thread Man I thought College was bad
It reminds me of a History class I took & there was a beautiful young woman who complained why is history not Herstory

[s_qwert63]

Originally posted by wilebill
"we get 3 ****ty/useless civilisations such as the inca, maya, bantu"

Whaaat? Blasphemy! Heresy! And besides you didn't even capitalize the names of these ****ty/useless civilizations, which is being ungrammatical besides! Why, the famous anthropologists Ruth Benedict and Margaret Mead must be spinning in their graves!

Then too, every game needs some good targets, eh what!

ok lets capitalize on the incas, aztecs and the mayans.
why capitalize on 3 civilisations from the same continent that no one gave a **** about?
they did not come into contact with anyone except for when the spanish came in and killed everyone.
they should reflect reality and be useless, the spanish just slaughtered them with muskets while they charged them with swords made out of stones and bamboo.
we should have one relevant civlisation like the Aztecs for example and thats it. 3 civlisations from that continent is just too much. I mean why not add Apaches or Commanches or some civilisations like that instead of Mayans or Incas.
and the arabs had way more impact on modern life in the world in general than all those 3 civlisations combined.
do you see inca empire on the map?
aztec empire? mayan empire? no!
but you can still see tons of arab countries in the middle east!
arabs invented modern maths, arabs spread their religion to over 1 billion people, unlike the aztecs/mayans/incas who just got slaughtered in a few decades.
besides you can have way more fun with arabs! prove me if im wrong but the aztecs/mayans/incas didnt even have horses! so how the hell would you expect them to rical anyone in th middle ages and how would they get tanks?

[CorpusScorpius]

Originally posted by s_qwert63



arabs invented modern maths, arabs spread their religion to over 1 billion people, unlike the aztecs/mayans/incas who just got slaughtered in a few decades.
besides you can have way more fun with arabs! prove me if im wrong but the aztecs/mayans/incas didnt even have horses! so how the hell would you expect them to rical anyone in th middle ages and how would they get tanks?

Have U ever heard of the Tuber? Er.........the Potato........ How about the Coca Plant?
That would be 2 of the Incan contributions that is still around today. It spread to the other 5 billion people The Aztecs had indoor plumbing way b4 the rest of the world. As for the Mayans, U have me stumped there......... The Mighty Incan cavalry can ride the feared Llama into Battle

[Darklighter]

I'll pose this question.

Does it really matter what civs are in the game?

I'm going to pick the civ that has the bonuses that closely match my style of play. Eventually I'll end up trying them all out.


As for Misinformation and Information all in the same thread it's a fact of life. There is misinformation all around us. The real feat is sifting through the BS (media, peoples opinions vs. fact, etc..) to uncover the facts.

As for this thread, when you say 'where are the Arabs?' the original poster is actually referring to an ethic group that exists in many different countries. So are you asking to add say the member countries of the Arab League of Nations? Or is there a specific civilization that the original poster wants to have added to the game?

I guess in my opinion the original statement is to vague.

[One_Dead_Villy]

i think civ inclusion is more useful only for recreating historical scenarios...otherwise 3 civs is really all u need as far as gameplay

[Mahdimael]

"Does it really matter what civs are in the game? "

I think only in the context that's it's cool to see tiger tanks battling it out with Russian tanks, or Roman legions against barbarians.

In the end, people will choose whatever civ's bonuses match their play style.

[Bridger]

The Inca in particular had a very advanced civilization. They built pyrimads damn near as big as the egyption ones. The myans had a calander and could predict solor/luner eclipses. The myan's calander is still acurate to this day.

The aztecs governed the largest area of the american continents in their time. They were a very powerful civilization that fell due to their religous beliefs (the europeans were gods!) and the diseases the europeans brought.

You cannot compare a civilization to the entire world in history, you must compare it to it's own region to discover if it was truely great. These 3 civs stood out among every civilization in the america's, that is why they are in the game.


The reseaon the U.S. isnt' in the game is because it wouldn't be posible to put it in the game. You just gonna have them pop in around enlightenement? How would that work?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by wilebill
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It has always seemed absurd to me that "Americans" (ruled by Abe Lincoln back in the stone age no less) are included in Civ III since the history of what is now called the United States of America hardly goes back thousands of years! I bother to mention my perplexity only because I have seen several posts that seem to be from younger people expressing indignation that RON does not include "Americans." I have the uncomfortable feeling that they are unaware that the Pilgrims did not arrive in the New World in 4,000 BC!

well the english and french werent around in 4000 BC either Indeed even the Greeks and Romans werent. And lots of "civilizations" are really blends of different earlier ones - the reality of cultures rising, blending, splitting, etc is too complex for any game that purports to have "civs" exisiting for 6000 years.

Thats why its my preference for a 6000 year game to have generic civs, where you shape the civ's character purely through gameplay, and not through necesarrily arbitrary "unique attributes"

But the market seems to prefer the unique attributes even in a TBS like Civ3. Im not going to argue it in an RTS.

Of course in a game set in a specific time period it makes complete sense to have nation speficic attributes - it is also generally clearer who the players should be. (although sometimes not when the period is long enough - eg did AOE:Rise of Rome really need Carthaginians when AOE already had Phoenicians?)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Bridger


The reseaon the U.S. isnt' in the game is because it wouldn't be posible to put it in the game. You just gonna have them pop in around enlightenement? How would that work?

in 4000 BC there was (apparently) only a single "indo-european" language (and presumably people) residing somewhere in eastern europe/ukraine. sometime around 2000 BC Sanskrit speakers, greeks, Latins break off and go off on their respective late bronze age invasions. (hittites go off somewhat earlier) Germanics head northwest to Scandinavia, and celts move west to Germany/France/england.

Sometime around 500BC (?) Germans come south from Scandinavia, push celts west of the rhine. Gradually become distinctive from Scandinavians.


Till 500 AD "americans" "brits" and germans are all one civ. around 500 AD some Germans from north sea coast - frisia to Juteland - invade Briton - become A
anglo-saxons. 1100 years later some of these settle parts of new world.

Do americans belong in civ - no. But then neither do the english, germans, romans, etc.

4000 BC - start with Chinese, Sumerians, egypt, an "indo-european civ" and a "semitic" civ.

That leaves plenty for the new world, bantus, etc.

Do i really think this would be a good idea? No.

Best idea for historical realism - generic civs - but do you expect anyone to sell an RTS with generic civs? I dont.