POST your favorite CUSTOM Race ;)

[Dry]

vmxa1, the best thing I can do is to try to contact this friend, but it's a time since I haven't see him. I think/hope he still plays moo2. I will e-mail him and ask either for saved game or to play your game and make a log.
We will have to wait at least until monday for an answer.

[Dry]

Hi, I got an answer.
He will provide us with saved games, but as he is at work, this will not be possible before monday.
He commented what I stated. It looks more like a toss die game (no guarantee of success). So here some precisions:
- No research, no time.
- No refit (even for own ships), no time.
- It doesn't always work. 50% of galaxies will not allow it (omni lowered that).
- If you can have irridium on first turn, it's a potential 40 turns (otherwise it's more like 50)
- If you can also have ion, only then you got a potential <35 turn.
- For most those cases (irri + ion), win with the elections of turn 25 is obvious.
- 90% of the time you win at elections of turn 50.

[vmxa1]

Yes, if the method is a vote, then it can be done. In fact it has been done in 7 turns with a charismatic race on a smaller map.

The thing is you need to get a vote triggered. I thought we were talking about a total conquest of all races.

No research, because that race can't do any and no time. It will get some research from RL's, but the game is over before a discovery can be made.

50 turns is not a problem as you can get into the 60's with a straight kill all races play. You use Warlord in this one.

[bakalov]

vmxa, I tried the 7 turn vote (I remember Moomin :-) but it did not work, probably because of patch changes ... The game never allowed a council meeting before T25 ...

[Dry]

Here are the saved game.
Let's start with turn 15
And quote to my friend:

Sorry not to have the point 0 but when I started it, I wasn't even thinking it will make THE hit !

[Dry]

Originally posted by vmxa1
I thought we were talking about a total conquest of all races.

That's correct, that's what we are talking about.

Turn 28

[Dry]

I think he felt insulted

If they'd think I can have pleasure to "corion" my games since 4 years...

Turn 29

[Dry]

And just for the same price, we got an extra one:

It's a my latest +20 turn, standard. On the rush, it should make a nice +40 or 45 but was optimized for an attack on Antares.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by bakalov
vmxa, I tried the 7 turn vote (I remember Moomin :-) but it did not work, probably because of patch changes ... The game never allowed a council meeting before T25 ...

I can no longer recall if I try this or not. I know I almost never play on small maps, but you need contact to trigger the vote.

So I would expect this will be an advanced start. This gives you ships to get out and meet any races that did not alredy have contact on day one.

Moomin (now Spaced Cowboy) must have posted a save or the run was duplicated. I just can't remember now.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Dry

That's correct, that's what we are talking about.

Turn 28

Ok, now I am confused. The post that 90% of time you win by vote is what got me.

So are we now saying the way to win is to eliminate all races? It is hard to keep track of the conditions.

I will look at the saves today. People should not feel insulted, because people ask for clarification and validation. How else can they understand?

[vmxa1]

I looked at the saves. I don't know what the version used for the games, but it seems clear that liberal use of the demand "feature" was used. This is legal, I just don't see the point in it.

As I have mentioned in the board many times, it is quite simple to demand the AI blind. This is why I use repulsive. No demanding tech or tribute or systems.

To aquire 20 systems spread all over in 15 turns, you must use the demand.

I did note that each of the three games I saw Drax was in play.

Anyway I enjoyed the opportunity to hear from another point of view. I thank you and your friend for the consideration and effort.

This could be another way to play from time to time. I use a simliar race to take down all civs on a huge map, with no demanding or trading. This is fun once a year or there abouts.

[Dry]

Sorry not to have been clear on the vote topic.

Let me first say I was wrong. It was not 27, it was 29.

Version is 1.31

The 90% wins via vote was only a side note to say: 'And you may even beat 29 if you accept to win via vote on turn 25'.

About demands. I'm sure he demands techs, I think he demands money. I do not think he demands systems. I really have no idea about tributes. And if you look at the race picks, you'll see that in this one he was even charismatic.

All games are the same game at different turns. So it's quite normal you saw Drax in all of them.

[bakalov]

Why not demanding systems? The AI usually gives away the low pop systems easily ....

[vmxa1]

I know he was Chrismatic, that is why you get the great trade deals. I am sure he is demanding systems, why would you not?

I tried playing without being repulsive and not demanding stuff, but it is hard to hold the line. Kind of line a priest going to a strip club and not looking at the naked woman, just not going to happen.

This is why I take that trait. Otherwise I can demand every system that is not allowed. (They will not give up certain systems).

You start out by demanding a tribute (5 or 10%). Then some tech and then a system. You just keep getting stronger while they found system for you. It is funy, but not much challenge.

Then you also get these insanely good leaders. As a repulsive, you learn to get by without any leaders for a time an then only lame ones show. You don't get trade, you have to earn everything you get.

Worse yet they sometimes will flat out surrender. This was very common in the 1.0 to 1.2 versions.

I like said, I think it was a good job to recoqnize this ploy, I just don't allow myself to use it.

[Whoha]

Hmm, by the time im strong enough to demand stuff I just take it by force.