tolerant discussion

[GePap]

You guys are way more hardcore than I am-I don't play to win fastest, I simply play to create a huge empire, and get the ego trip of running it....

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Croesus

Just because something is unpopular, doesn't mean it isn't good in the right hands. Is the strategy in MoO2 not diverse enough for cyber to be effective by certain players in certain conditions?


vmxa1, congratulations on your 10,000th post a while ago.

Yes and I said you can win with many flavors. After all you can with with no picks. Also it can be fun to play with it at times in SP games. I do not play as a Unitol all that much. I like to mix things up.


Thanks, it is hard to believe I wasted that much time, I mean spent that much time on the board.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by GePap
You guys are way more hardcore than I am-I don't play to win fastest, I simply play to create a huge empire, and get the ego trip of running it....

I like to just mess around at times as well. I often will cruise through some of the old Newsgroup post to find a race to play that someone else talked about, just to do something different. I do not want to play the same way every game.

I think it is great to have players post up a game or race to talk about or test. Just because I may ppush for a point, don't take it that I so not appreciate the others. I just like to see if may I need to change, maybe they can convince me. It is just a debate, no losers or winners.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Garth Vader


But then you will lose colonies because the AI always has transports.

Most of the time I am able to trade for MB before it gets to be too much of a problem, but you are usually repulsive.

Yeah, I can't trade in most games. It is just a handicap I like to play with.

I have not seen them bring transports at that stage, but it would not matter as they must defeat you starbase before they can land them.

[Whoha]

Originally posted by vmxa1
Yes a small map can get you into more combat. I sometimes run into situations where I cannot defeat their ships very early. I simply do not fight them and they either blockade until I can defeat them or they foolishly attack me at the HW with its starbase and die. I won't have MB unless I am playing a creative race.

All I am saying Whoha is I have played 100's of games and never needed Cyber. I played with it a bit a long time back and like many traits you can use it, but so what? There is a reason why it is not among the list of top races played, it is inferior. That you can win with is true, but only in SP games.

I never said you needed it, only that it has its value, and that its fun to mess around with.

[Garth Vader]

Originally posted by vmxa1

I have not seen them bring transports at that stage, but it would not matter as they must defeat you starbase before they can land them.

Really, I see them all the time. It's usually the colonies I have problems with, before I get a SB built.

[Croesus]

But then you will lose colonies because the AI always has transports.

I tried the cyber race out. The super production race could only be better for getting things out quickly. The AI can't use transports because with this race you essentially can have more industry than you can use. Most new colonies would have a starbase in a 10 turns, by freighting other workers from other colonies.

I found this race quite powerful. But as vmxa1 said, I prefer to play others because they are more entertaining. After quite a bit of research, if you are playing an average to young galaxy, then this race will have more production at the begining. During mid game, it had more than a creative aquatic test race with atmosphere renewers,pollution processors, and nano dissassemblers.

However a small note: you can't research polloution technologies. This is only useful if you plan on taking other races colonies and using them as slaves. Otherwise these slave colonies are most effectively used as farming worlds. Since on impossible you are going to find an aquatic race, or one with +1 food, then it is even more natural to use them as farmers. They get the unification bonus even as slaves. The game I played with the production race had klackons with +1 food and aquatic. I bred them just to be farmers.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Whoha


I never said you needed it, only that it has its value, and that its fun to mess around with.

Sounds fair to me.

[vmxa1]

Originally posted by Garth Vader


Really, I see them all the time. It's usually the colonies I have problems with, before I get a SB built.

The reason I don't see them is because I will not colonize or capture a planet until I can hold it. So if I colonize one, it is safely out of reach or I have enough shipping to defend it.

[Dunnagan]

seriously?

Originally posted by Brutalisk
PK, while you are very competitive, you got a set strategy. That strategy bud, DOES have weaknesses

The fact that you keep working on your strategies though atleast tells me that unlike msot other kali-players, you can actually "adapt"...


In my recent return there, I noticed everyone following the same formula (esp in duels). A good formula yes, but the kali-players seem to have turned into a "stale" community in that respect with some exceptions...

i wish more people would play multiplayer moo2 ;o

[siron]

Dunnagan,

have u played online (kali)?

If yes, whats your kali-nick?

(BTW, I dont think that Brutalisk is right here. There are only some freaks who always want to play without wormholes (large galaxy and mostly even 1v1). In this case....Brutal is right..there are only a few races you can play...and that is boring.)

[Brutalisk]

Siron: nice to see more kali players around, but I would say the three other players who are as adventurous as I am, are RedDog, Druzhio and Moohelper (and where is moohelper? haven't seen him for ages)


Dunnagan: there is quite a bit of multiplayer moo game going on..

[Dunnagan]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Iasius
The only time I will use tolerant is when I'm also lithovore. Just makes for awesome expansion early and combined with research labs on so many worlds you can even be good techwise.

theoretically sure, but theres always those couple techs you miss as an uncreative race. even if you are pumping 50 spies into their ass, you still won't get it half the time.

this is why I will always pick creative.

[Dunnagan]

Originally posted by siron
Dunnagan,

have u played online (kali)?

If yes, whats your kali-nick?

(BTW, I dont think that Brutalisk is right here. There are only some freaks who always want to play without wormholes (large galaxy and mostly even 1v1). In this case....Brutal is right..there are only a few races you can play...and that is boring.)

a very long time ago I played Warcraft 2 on Kali, my nick was 'Dunnagan'. those were the days! War2 is god IMO

I tried to get a game going on kali a couple nights ago.

found the moo2 channel ,

When I clicked join internet game in Moo2, it didn't theoretically 'freeze', but I couldn't do anything and had to back out via task manager.

[Dunnagan]

Why i haven't played games like civ ii and iii? Well , lack of time to sit down and explore new games. [/QUOTE]

trust me, you aren't missing much.

I love strategy stuff, but Civ2/Civ3 have a certain repetitiveness that Moo2 does not have. to be honest I like playing civ2 more Multiplayer, because no matter how fast your computer is, with Civ3 theres lag with every single click in a multiplayer game. sometimes you click four or five times when it doesnt respond, making the lag worse.

the techs feel as if they are paper. they arent applied to the gameplay as well as moo2's are, (probably because you can't design stuff)

I hereby declare moo2 the king of all computer and console strategy games. (except for the ****ty network coding, doom2's network coding was better i think)