Was the original MOO3 concept better?

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Vince278
Believe me I for one will remember when it comes time to buy something else from them. Names changes won't make a difference, I'm not as dumb as they think we are. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.

This game design problem are not Infrogame fault it is basely Hasbo who brought either Micropose or the right to the name
and ask Alan who was with than other company deside Quick-Silver to make the biggest and best game of all time with no benchmarks to meet or any realism goal to meet that isnot clearcut. Then QuickSilver took other trying to figure out what some part of the code does as somepart are docoment porper from the other companying.

[Admiral PJ]

What has communism got to do with it?
must be some red neck american thing, if its not about greed and right wing americanism it must be communist and bad.
You shouldn't look at things so black and white, without leftwing socialism we'd be in an even worse state with lots more Enron corruption problems. The US has a serious problem with its general obsession with greed based nationilst right wing politics.
If all you care about is money, then we'd just have endless game extensions of MOO1 and no technology advancement, we don't want the games industry to end up like the US film industry.

micheal:
I think games platforms are aimed at pretty high end machines, gamers need more powerful computers nowadays than the average small business user. If your talking about different hardware compatibility problems then your point is well made.

Admiral PJ
coding on the high C for over 10 years

[Vince278]

I thought Microprose was the greatest!

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Vince278
I thought Microprose was the greatest!

Micropose want to quik games designing and game programming to just publishing games only. So alot of their real talent left the company to other companies or start they own companies. It they onlt published games only they would make alot more money by cutting out the overhead of gameing designer, games programming, in house game testing. It was faultly reasonly on mangenting part.

It remain me of what some cost accountant was saying about
New York City sending 3 million dollar to paint the Booklyom Bridge on it 100th birthday of being built. The cost accountant was crying that NYC was wasteing taxpayer money by sent more money on the painting the bridge than it
orginal cost of 250,000 dollar. Those cost accountant iinogre the historal cost is alot lower than the cost of builting anew one it the thing fell down it they sent no money taken care of it.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Vince278


I tend to agree. Looks like we need a moderator here.

(a) Nobody has to read threads, or all the posts in them.
(b) Nobody has to respond, or participate.
(c) Nothing guarantees that you'll find every thread a font of revelation, and a dazzling display of decorum.
(d) When there's a real issue, I'll bother with it.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Vince278
I thought Microprose was the greatest!

Microprose/MPS was the greatest for pure design and production in their early days by far, but they were extremely poorly focused and were a financial basket-case by the time Bill Stealey agreed to sell out to Spectrum Holobyte.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
(a) Nobody has to read threads, or all the posts in them.
(b) Nobody has to respond, or participate.
(c) Nothing guarantees that you'll find every thread a font of revelation, and a dazzling display of decorum.
(d) When there's a real issue, I'll bother with it.

I'll pick option "b".

[MichaeltheGreat]

[Killazer]

design is everything

in large-scale software packages, and designing then coding games isnt easy.. it's a huge pain in the ass in fact. I can do it but it's a lot of work.. that's why I got cardiologist and echo cardiogram certified and make about 60 USD an hour now pressing buttons on machines. Nobody really appreciates what programmers have to go through in some cases to make design a reality.

Game design has extra elements to it cuz unlike business software there is 'art' factor associated with it. Your game has to be fun, playable, and complexity is great but it has to be intuitive really to be fun for people to play as a game not a spreadsheet. The Moo3 GUI has spreadsheet written all over it..... The graphics work on Moo3 looks very, very amateurish to me. I could probably do the GUI framework/window and controls setup using VB in a few hours (nothing much would work but itd look like Moo3... hmmm thats not quite far from what we already have is it.. rofl).
U should leased a 3d engine that uses directX and mayb have pre-built 3d object rendering functions to work with 3ds max object info/animation files etc so u could speed up development. Use mayb MFC or VB for the GUI design and do basic 2d rendering using directX and use the 3d graphics engine for space combat. Or use the custom 3d engine for everything and make the game look very nice - altho that would take more time.

Anyway im starting to talk too much but I'm very disappointed for the most part with the GUI and graphics of Moo3, especially the space battles. Wtf is it with the poor quality voxels my god looks horrible rofl. Should used 3d objects and made some very great looking modles and awesome space combat. You said Alan was 3d graphics design specialist... well it sure as hell doesnt show in moo3.

The AI... urgh... well I wont get into that. Take care all

[CharlesBHoff]

Re: design is everything

Originally posted by Killazer
in large-scale software packages, and designing then coding games isnt easy.. it's a huge pain in the ass in fact. I can do it but it's a lot of work.. that's why I got cardiologist and echo cardiogram certified and make about 60 USD an hour now pressing buttons on machines. Nobody really appreciates what programmers have to go through in some cases to make design a reality.

Game design has extra elements to it cuz unlike business software there is 'art' factor associated with it. Your game has to be fun, playable, and complexity is great but it has to be intuitive really to be fun for people to play as a game not a spreadsheet. The Moo3 GUI has spreadsheet written all over it..... The graphics work on Moo3 looks very, very amateurish to me. I could probably do the GUI framework/window and controls setup using VB in a few hours (nothing much would work but itd look like Moo3... hmmm thats not quite far from what we already have is it.. rofl).
U should leased a 3d engine that uses directX and mayb have pre-built 3d object rendering functions to work with 3ds max object info/animation files etc so u could speed up development. Use mayb MFC or VB for the GUI design and do basic 2d rendering using directX and use the 3d graphics engine for space combat. Or use the custom 3d engine for everything and make the game look very nice - altho that would take more time.

Anyway im starting to talk too much but I'm very disappointed for the most part with the GUI and graphics of Moo3, especially the space battles. Wtf is it with the poor quality voxels my god looks horrible rofl. Should used 3d objects and made some very great looking modles and awesome space combat. You said Alan was 3d graphics design specialist... well it sure as hell doesnt show in moo3.

The AI... urgh... well I wont get into that. Take care all

There are two Alan. The first one was than Strategy Guide
writer for than gameing magine who knew nothing about programming than computer he did study system which isnot the the same as real programming. Than system can design than nice looking flow cart but it doesnot mean it will work when you program it in on than computer.

The second Alan who took over from the second Alan have graphic programming knowlege. They want to make than game where you didnot needed to have than 3d graphic card with video memony. 2-d graphic look better in most game anyway in my opion.