stardock future update plans: good or evil?

[Draginol]

Originally posted by Osweld


The game doesn't interest me, but this subject does.

Ah okay, you're just a troll. Nevermind.

[Mestro77]

Actually Brad (Draginol), I think you're being a little unfair with your last post. I'm not expressing an opinion on what Osweld wrote (The game doesn't interest me, but this subject does.) but I think it's entirely reasonable to be interested in the subject and not specifically GalCiv. Remember, Mark just a few hours ago branched this tread from the original thread. That original thread was a discussion about your approach to warez and piracy. It began with a quote from yourself regarding the measures you've taken.

As it happens, I AM interested in Galciv - but I'm even MORE interested in your approach to piracy. I whole heartedly approve! I wish more companies behaved in this manner. But back to my point - it's the warez/piracy issue that attracted me to the original thread and I think that's all Osweld meant about his own interest.

His other comments may/may not be reasonable - but I feel it's not appropriate of you to attack him because he's not personally interested in YOUR game - but he is in fact interested in your quote about anti-piracy that began the thread.

As far as that original thread goes - if you check through it a bit you'll see a couple of posts from myself. I would be pleased to receive a rebutal from you on the questions I posed.

[Todd Hawks]

I agree with Brad. Osweld is a troll. Nearly every game nowadays has a patch in the pipeline before release. Of course I'd rather have a game that doesn't need a patch but complaining that the devs are going to support the game is just ridiculous. So is the claim that they are holding back patches in order to combat piracy.

Maybe he pirated the game and is now frustrated because he can't get the updates.

[yin26]

Troll.

Mark. Please close this thread and please also seriously consider a stern warning to this troll.

[Nirvana_CN]

Grrr all this time i thought you had the game, instead you now appear kinda jealous of a game with good support :\

I agree this is trolling.

[Boris Godunov]

Osweld, stop being a tool. You haven't even played the ****ing game, so you are just talking out of your rear end.

GalCiv was complete, playable and damned fun out of the box. It was worth the price then and there. On top of that, Stardock is offering constant updates with new options for FREE that enhance the game even more. How the **** is that a problem? Who is it hurting?

You could play GalCiv without a single patch and it would still be fun. So how was the game incomplete?

The fact that they are releasing a full-blown expansion pack in June for FREE should be a clue that this is not business as usual, this is a company that is really doing a lot to make its game not just good, but really great. Would that more game companies had Stardock's ethos. What, you think Firaxis's method is better?

Lame.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Osweld, stop being a tool.

Only because I let people bait and threadjack me.



I never intended to imply the game was 'incomplete' (I apparently share a different diffinition of the word then others) or unplayable, or that they should not support their game. I was merely saying that their strategy of releasing many patches in a single weak or releasing features days, weeks, or months after the initial release, only in an attempt to hamper pirates, stinks.

And having expansion packs planned before release has always been one of my biggest peeves, but if they are not charging for it then it really isn't very bad.

[WarpStorm]

Originally posted by Osweld
I was merely saying that their strategy of releasing many patches in a single weak or releasing features days, weeks, or months after the initial release, only in an attempt to hamper pirates, stinks.

Only if you are a pirate

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by WarpStorm


Only if you are a pirate

Or just play the game. Eitherway, there are new updates coming out every couple of days. It inconveniances customers and pirates alike - that was my whole point.

[unic]

As a customer of this, and other games, I'd say Stardock is inconveniencing me far less than most other developers, as I don't have to find the cd and put it into the cd-rom to play the game just because of some silly copy protection.

Oh, and I very much prefer frequent updates and having the developer listen to customer input rather than waiting ages for patches, and then not having them fix the problems I have with the game.

/unic, a non-pirate, who has no complaints with Stardock (unlike with for example JoWood or Infogrames)

[Nirvana_CN]

"Or just play the game. Eitherway, there are new updates coming out every couple of days. It inconveniances customers and pirates alike - that was my whole point."

Oh man..you dont have to update. Its playable out of the box. Seems your just been obtuse, and would likely moan about how winning the lottery is a bad thing too.

You need to stop trolling, your the only person i have seen who doesns't like companies releasing updates, new units etc to their game.

Pirates have no rights whatsoever on a game, or no right to moan, so i suggest you bow out of this one.

[vmxa1]

What is the inconvnience? You are not required to get each update as it comes out. It is optional, some wil stay on top, others will let it slide.
I run into people that have not put on a patch for a given game they play regularly, since they got the game.
I mean, I see Moo2 players that have yet to apply 1.31 after how many years?
This method is painless as well, you connect and select update and it is handled.
Sort of like the GameUpdate that 3DO use, very easy.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Nirvana_CN
"Or just play the game. Eitherway, there are new updates coming out every couple of days. It inconveniances customers and pirates alike - that was my whole point."

Oh man..you dont have to update. Its playable out of the box. Seems your just been obtuse, and would likely moan about how winning the lottery is a bad thing too.

And so can the pirates, which is my entire point - it has the same effet on pirates as it does on customers, whether it bothers you or not is not an issue. Nor is it the need to update the game - pirates don't need to install a new patch anymore then customers do.

Whats-his-name said that pirates will have to buy the game if they want to "keep up with everyone else", well, customers will have get a new patch and start a new game every two days if they want to, aswell.

[Malleus]

I just vote with my money. MOO3 doesn't have it. GalCiv does. MOO3 is an example of how things should NOT be done "The Osweld Model," and Stardock's GalCiv is the way it SHOULD be done.

M

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Malleus
I just vote with my money. MOO3 doesn't have it. GalCiv does. MOO3 is an example of how things should NOT be done "The Osweld Model," and Stardock's GalCiv is the way it SHOULD be done.

M

MOO3 is an even worse violation of "The Osweld Model", their cd protection is so over zealous that it doesn't even work in some hard drives and requires a no-cd crack to play. And those that it does work in have problems with the CD being overworked.