Society VIII: Quest For Perfection (Game Thread)

[Theben]

Originally posted by EPW
DAMN IT I'M DEAD, DAMN YOU DARKCLOUD FOR GIVING ME HOPE. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO LEAD US TO VICTORY OR AT LEAST AN HONORABLE DEATH, AND NOW WE HAVE NEITHER.

[DarkCloud]

Crap. I didn't send I meant to capture the Acropolis b/c I wasn't expecting EPW to connect on the other side. Now it doesn't matter.

DarkCloud, please explain, with the current formula, how MJW was able to capture Whoha's last city.

Well, according to the rules, the wonders are the last to be taken. So as soon as EPW connected to you in a way that made it possible for your troops to avoid capturing the Acropolis, it was impossible for you to capture it until last.

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- Whoha did attack. His orders were "build 48" and "send 40" to fight. Even if he had sent 40 to fight (he only had 28), he still would have lost the two-way battle... I didn't run the numbers to see if he sent 20 to fight in the two way but left 8 defenders if he'd be able to defend against MJW's survivors. I don't think his city would have survived in that case, though (???)

For clarification, in a war a two way battle is fought, then the winning side gets to capture cities- otherwise the defender would never lose any cities, so in the circumstance of Whoha sending 20 armies to fight and leaving 8 to defend, that would be a "two-stage" war for MJW to get through- MJW's army would effectively fight two battles.

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C= 84/5 - 0 * 8/5
16.8-1.6
15.2 cities captured
15 cities captured.

C = ((A / DT) - (D / DC)) * (AT / DT), round down.

C= ((84/5) - (0)) * (8/5)
C= 16.8 X 1.6= 26.88
= 26
...
Theben is right... I did make a mistake. EPW is eliminated.

...Sorry to get your hopes up. Theben, you do have the Acropolis.

[DarkCloud]

I updated the chart... not the map.

I still think Whoha is eliminated.

C = ((A / DT) - (D / DC)) * (AT / DT), round down.

((87/9)-(28/1)) * 8/9
9.67-28 )*0.89
-16.34

If Whoha, however, only defended with his 28 troops, he would have survived.

But I don't think I can assume those would have been his orders since an order to send 40 troops (20 was all he could send) vs. MJW's 87 would have resulted in Whoha's empires' demise regardless.

approximations based on if Whoha sent 20 troops v. MJW and left 8 at home. (assuming MJW loses 4 troops when fighting Whoha's 20... MJW may have lost more... I don't hvae time to run those numbers).
((83/9)-(8/1)) * 8/9
9.22-8 )*0.89
=1.08

[Theben]

If Whoha attacked then he is dead. Considering his orders you should leave it as it is and not try to interpret for him, but follow his actual orders as best able.

[DarkCloud]

That's what I was figuring.

[EPW]

I was not referring to Darkcloud, I was referring to Darkcloud.

[Whoha]

from my orders:

attack MJW with 40 of them if they exist.

[EPW]

You should be banned for posting a pm

[MJW]

Originally posted by Whoha
from my orders:

You cannot issue dependent orders.

[Whoha]

alright, I was under the impression that I could.

[Spaced Cowboy]

I'm sorry; where does it say that you cannot issue dependent orders?

You almost have to with all that can get buggered with spies. I do not see an issue with it as long as your orders are clear.

If I was GM'ing, I would interpret Whoha's orders (based on his post and nothing else that may have been omitted) to be attack with 40 armies, defend with 8, but only attack if I have 40 to attack with, else defend with all of them.

However, that being said, I am not the GM in this one. That is the rep of the GM, to do the game as he sees fit in a fair and unbias manner.

[DarkCloud]

Hm.
Whoha can issue dependent orders and he did and those are the exact orders he wrote, and I did take them into consideration.

I interpreted Whoha's orders as attack with some and leave others at home, especially since a crude estimate of the numbers would have been that even an attack with 40 and defense with 8 would probably have lost him his city.

If attacking with 40 would let him keep his city, then I'd be inclined to let him defend with all 28-- but the numbers didn't appear to work out either way.

His intent appeared to be attack with some units and only leave 8 to defend. He had no idea how many units MJW might build, so I figured that if he thought he had the caravans to produce 28 units, he'd leave 8 at home and attack with 20.

It was a tough call... I don't want to be unfair, though, which is why I tried to explain my reasoning here and in post #138.

The best solution would have been to PM him at the time of the orders.

I think I made the right call, but I acknowledge that sometimes I do make mistakes... like assuming that EPW was still alive when in fact his empire was defeated

[Theben]

Originally posted by MJW
You cannot issue dependent orders.

That was GO and possibly Nuclear War.

[Theben]

So is Whoha alive or dead? I'm sure it'll affect people's orders.

[MJW]

Originally posted by Theben


That was GO and possibly Nuclear War.