Console Wars!!!

[Asher]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I will leave it as an exercise for the reader whether or not I have consistently been discussing the practical capabilities of the consoles or not.

Only you were. Everyone else was discussing Nikolai's post, which you quoted.

3) In the course of the inevitable argument you post lots of very useful info, but broaden your argument (which was initially correct) to an overstated one one you now admit was incorrect.

Nothing I've said in this discussion was incorrect.

4) I point out the inconsistency with your own posts (since this is an area I have pretty much zero of my own knowledge to contribute)

There is no inconsistency, you just are applying a different discussion and context to my comments which should not exist because I was only discussing Nikolai's post.

5) You return to the initial argument which you 'won' before (rather begrudgingly) admitting I was right and we should discuss capabilities here.

We should discuss "inherent capabilities" here (eg, the consoles themselves). We should not discuss how one sets up media servers here.

I was neither incorrect nor did I admit you are right. All I admit is you were in a world of your own for this discussion. You replied to Nikolai's post, changed the subject in your head subtly, then continued banging that drum when no one else was discussing it with you. You then took my comments out of context and tried to make sense of them in an incorrect context.

This is the thread to discuss "inherent capabilities" of the console. This is not the thread to discuss media server software. There is a difference -- please learn it before you lecture me again. If you want to have a civilized discussion, I suggest you have the manners to know what is being discussed in the first place.

And I'll also note that you've not discussed the "practical capabilities of the consoles" at all either. That's pretty funny considering you insist it's what you were discussing. All you were discussing is my comment about the inappropriateness of Nikolai's comment for this thread -- which was a Winamp software bug -- which means this isn't the place for it.

May I humbly suggest you re-read the thread.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Asher


We should discuss "inherent capabilities" here (eg, the consoles themselves).

Originally posted by Asher

Again, I would be happy to discuss media streaming capabilities of consumer electronics.

But this is not appropriate for:
1) A thread on the console wars
2) A thread in the "Other Games" forum

Sorry but those statements look contradictory to me. I know the intial context for the second quote was the software point but it seems quite clearly to say "media streaming capabilities of consumer electronics" which just has to have a hardware element to it.

Perhaps you should have been more careful and posted that you would be happy to discuss software used to stream media, but this is not appropriate for this thread.

[Asher]

Perhaps you should understand the context before you become a semantic nazi. Just a thought.

Media streaming (which is a function of PC software) is not under the umbrella of "inherent console" functionality.

This whole thing is a function of your misunderstanding.

[DrSpike]

Come on: "media streaming capabilities of consumer electronics" means (at least in part) the hardware capabilities. I think you are trying to obfuscate this point now.

It's not an academic point of semantics - your slip feeds how long this has taken to resolve. Also, with better technique you could have picked it up earlier (through reading the points being made, no matter how non-technically given my background) and said "actually that was a slip - I was referring to software", but I think you see this as a weakness at the moment. Despite several times you have been tripped up on the forums through overstating your case (usually starting from a solid position) I've never seen you do anything than defend your mistakes ad infinitum. Just food for thought really.

Anyway, it's been fun and I shall leave you to have the last word as I have to go to bed.

[Nikolai]

This is really easy:

I checked out how two different consoles handled media streaming. Consoles of this generation, as we know, are just as much a media console as it is a gaming consoles, espescially 360 and PS3. I then posted how that comparision worked out for me and asked if anyone had tried the same with 360, which I do not have access to. Asher for some reason got mad at me and lashed out at me for no reason, as he for some reason often do to other people. Whether or not my comparision is valid or not in a strictly technical POW, is irrellevant. I, a consumer, tested the media handling of this generation of consoles, an important part of the marketing of said consoles. I may have been wrong in my understanding of some technical details, but really, I don't care. The only thing I did was to post some observations and a question which I saw as valid. If Asher disagree, fine, but then I expect that disagreement to be voiced in a civil and respectful manner. Period.

[Asher]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Come on: "media streaming capabilities of consumer electronics" means (at least in part) the hardware capabilities. I think you are trying to obfuscate this point now.

WTF? Anything with a CPU and a network port can do media streaming. There's no point in discussing that, it was CLEARLY not what was meant, and all you're doing is throwing a semantic tantrum.

It's not an academic point of semantics

Apparently it is, if you think discussing Media Streaming functionality like Winamp 5.5 has anything to do with hardware capabilities of console.

- your slip feeds how long this has taken to resolve. Also, with better technique you could have picked it up earlier (through reading the points being made, no matter how non-technically given my background) and said "actually that was a slip - I was referring to software", but I think you see this as a weakness at the moment.

You're being completely ridiculous. There is no reason at ALL to refer to the "hardware capabilities" of console with regard to media streaming. ALL consoles are VERY clearly capable of streaming media, that is not up for discussion and it never was.

YOU made the slip here with a ridiculous assumption that discussions of media streaming -- clearly in the context of software given that I hit you over the head with discussion of Winamp -- assuming it has to be with hardware. You were the only person tugging at my sleeve trying to talk hardware, I was directly and obviously speaking about media servers and streaming from the PC -- in all cases, this is done via software on the PC and not hardware on the console.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Nikolai
This is really easy:

I checked out how two different consoles handled media streaming.

No you did not. The PS3 does not handle streaming in the manner you tested it and here's a shocker -- it didn't work right the way you did it. The manner you tested it is intended primarily for devices without real streaming functionality, like the Wii. The Xbox 360 and PS3 stream using a protocol known as DLNA with native interfaces built into the system's menus and software. Not through websites like Winamp 5.5.

This is why I say your issue is completely unrelated to how "consoles do streaming" and completely about how Winamp 5.5 does streaming. Which is why it's not a good discussion for this thread.

Take the hint. It's a Winamp 5.5 issue, and not a PS3 issue nor is it "how PS3 does streaming". If you don't believe me, go post what you posted on AvsForum or any other site about that and watch people lash at you also for propagating fundamental misunderstandings that a 2 second google search would have addressed.

[Asher]

If you want to see how some people stream media on the Xbox 360, there's a video here using Windows Media Centre Extender:

[flash9286]

I wish my notebook was fast enough to convert on the fly . I have to convert all my videos to wmv to stream them on the 360. Hopefully, they will add more codecs in the next fall update.

[lord of the mark]

Pardon, I've been away a bit. When did Asher become OG mod?

[Asher]

Since apparently only I have the common sense that discussion of media streaming software is not a game discussion and is best served in the forum with other threads related to TV, DVDs, and other media.

[Kataphraktoi]

[Kataphraktoi]

Originally posted by Nikolai
My brother bought PS3 the other day(against my advice, I'd rather have bought 360 for half the price and double the worth ). Anyway, the games look awesome, even on a non-HD TV. I did find one big letdown though: With WinAmp 5.5, you can use your computer to stream your video and music on PS3, 360 and Wii. PS3 wasn't able to play any of the movie files I tried, mostly DivX. Some files were reported corrupt(even thought I know they aren't), some as not supported. Of my music, only the mp3 was playable, FLAC crashed the whole thing and my other music formats was unplayable.

Then I came home and tried it on my Wii. I didn't have much hope, since PS3 had such problems and Wii is after all much weaker in raw power, and I thought it therefore would also be worse in format support. It's a more pure playing machine after all. But lo and behold! It played ALL of the music I tried, mp3, FLAC and everything else! And it did it pretty well too! The movie files played well too, except there were too few frames for each second for some reason. But it played every single file I tried. That's one big for Wii vs PS3! Somebody with 360 who have tried this on it and can tell how it does? At least as good as Wii I presume, although PS3's example make me wonder...

Asher is right. This sounds like a failure on winamp 5,5, not the PS3. Why dont you try using some alternative programs?

[ZargonX]

Pardon, I've been away a bit. When did Asher become OG mod?

Since he decided that the Wii can't be discussed in any sort of positive manner

[Asher]

I am not convinced talking about the Wii's media capabilities portray it in a good light...