Help UnO pick a console.

[Asher]

I ignored the post completely until I saw somebody take him seriously.

Then I briefly deconstructed it.

Successful troll or conservative jew? You decide.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Sarcasm?

The PC is anti-social in terms of gaming, unless you get him playing MMORPGs.

And I don't think telling kids to go outside all the time is very smart either. It's very old-school.

Go out and play in the street! Don't listen to that rock music! And stay away from them video games!! You should be out using your imagination! Go play doctor or something! Go play cops and robbers or cowbows and indians!

if this is deconstruction, Paul DeMann is rolling over in his grave.

I wouldnt suggest a preschooler spend lots of time on the PC either.

Telling kids to play outside is old school? Really. Where did you get your degree in child psychology? Or are you going by your experience as a parent?

How does suggesting kids play outside, and use their imagination, imply conservativism about music? Or anything else for that matter?

And Im not saying stay away from gaming. I would merely suggest its not so great for preteens.

Obviously someone is hypersensitive about this topic.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Asher
I ignored the post completely until I saw somebody take him seriously.

No one took it seriously.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher
I ignored the post completely until I saw somebody take him seriously.

Then I briefly deconstructed it.

Successful troll or conservative jew? You decide.

So youre saying my recommendation to buy the 360 was a mistake?

[Asher]

For the reasons you gave, yes.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


So youre saying my recommendation to buy the 360 was a mistake?

Oh, this is a very poor follow-up. Too easily dodged.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Telling kids to play outside is old school? Really. Where did you get your degree in child psychology? Or are you going by your experience as a parent?

While I don't have a child psychology degree (no one does, as luck would have it), I did take many psychology courses back when it was going to be my minor -- including several like developmental psychology and family psychology.

Telling kids to go play outside is dumb. There's nothing inherently special about being outside except potentially less supervision for kids to get in trouble in. It certainly has no bearing on the discussion of getting a console for someone's kids -- in fact, telling kids to go outside in this context is the same as saying go outside instead of playing games. Which I think is something ill-informed and rather pushy. The man wants to know what console to get, he doesn't want to know why some conservative old man thinks kids shouldn't be playing on them console things.

How does suggesting kids play outside, and use their imagination, imply conservativism about music? Or anything else for that matter?

You can't make the connection? I'm painting you with the brush as the old, outmoded, cranky old man who thinks kids show grow up like they did.

Obviously someone is hypersensitive about this topic.

I'm never hypersensitive, but I am always click to jump at the throat of people who are wrong and use their wrongness to affect the lives of others.

[lord of the mark]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Asher

While I don't have a child psychology degree (no one does, as luck would have it),

Hmmm?

id take many psychology courses back when it was going to be my minor -- including several like developmental psychology and family psychology.

Telling kids to go play outside is dumb. There's nothing inherently special about being outside except potentially less supervision for kids to get in trouble in.

Fresh air and exercise, maybe even some connection with nature and the real world?

It certainly has no bearing on the discussion of getting a console for someone's kids -- in fact, telling kids to go outside in this context is the same as saying go outside instead of playing games.

there are LOTS of games you can play outside. If youre not aware of these, youve lived a VERY deprived life.

Which I think is something ill-informed and rather pushy. The man wants to know what console to get, he doesn't want to know why some conservative old man thinks kids shouldn't be playing on them console things.

he wants to know which console to get, and as one console has a wider selection of kids games, and the other has a wider selection of non-kids games, how much time the kids will and should spend on the console is quite relevant to the choice. Someone is having difficulty with logic.

You can't make the connection? I'm painting you with the brush as the old, outmoded, cranky old man who thinks kids show grow up like they did.

Why would suggesting that in some ways kids should grow up as they did, imply that they should in all ways? If I was what you painted me as, wouldnt I suggest that Uno not get any console, and keep his kids away from the PC as well?


By the way, in case youre not aware, its now 2007. Cranky old guys are nostalgic for rock n roll . Hell, theres rock and roll that was popular before I was born

I'm never hypersensitive,

yeah, right.

but I am always click to jump at the throat of people who are wrong and use their wrongness to affect the lives of others.

Click to jump? Very click, in this instance.

In any case, Im merely offering up something for Uno to think about. he neednt follow my advice.

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by Asher

I think that's because that's the demographic you hang out with.

The 360 is extremely popular among my coworkers in the 23-30 age range.

well we went from "microsoft surveys" to Asher's co-workers.

I guess if 360 is popular with your 23-30 year old friends, it must be popular mostly with 23-30 year olds.

I think mostly older people BUY the 360. They buy it for their kids.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
Fresh air and exercise, maybe even some connection with nature and the real world?

If the air inside or through your windows is unhealthy (or otherwise unfresh), then you have bigger problems.

Connection with nature and the real world? These are kids we're talking about. Connection with nature for me meant building tree forts in the hilly wilderness out back. Got lots of nasty infections and injuries, got hospitalized for a bit once. Exercise? We rode bikes all the time -- was real fun until one of my friends got hit by a car.

I'm not saying never let your kids go outside, most kids will want to anyway. The point is there's tons of time for both. You can't always "go outside and play" (ever heard of winter?), some neighbourhoods aren't the best for that either.

The simple point is, video games do not replace being outside. I'm annoyed that you bring your high-and-mighty opinion, but to be honest, because it was not solicited, nor was it particularly informed. It's something that is becoming typical of you though, extremely conservative opinion about just about any opinion under the sun. It's very important kids don't have fun outside of your predefined areas of fun-ness, isn't it.

there are LOTS of games you can play outside. If youre not aware of these, youve lived a VERY deprived life.

Don't be a douche -- by games I clearly meant video games.

he wants to know which console to get, and as one console has a wider selection of kids games, and the other has a wider selection of non-kids games, how much time the kids will and should spend on the console is quite relevant to the choice. Someone is having difficulty with logic.

I am having difficulty. He's asking which console to get and you're telling him to let his kids play outside instead. That's not a console.

Why would suggesting that in some ways kids should grow up as they did, imply that they should in all ways? If I was what you painted me as, wouldnt I suggest that Uno not get any console, and keep his kids away from the PC as well?

I'm absolutely certain you dramatically restrict your child's use of your PC. Am I right?

In any case, Im merely offering up something for Uno to think about. he neednt follow my advice.

Tipski: In the future, do not offer unsolicited advice on how to raise one's children. He asked what console to get, not how to entertain his kids. They are very different questions.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
well we went from "microsoft surveys" to Asher's co-workers.

No, we didn't. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you hang out with small children doesn't mean that's the only demographic it's used in.

I think mostly older people BUY the 360. They buy it for their kids.

Google the average gamer age. The average age of the XBL user registered was 28, which is where MS' number comes from. Google that **** if you're interested in it, I don't find it surprising at all.

There are a lot more 25 year olds with $400 to spend on an Xbox than 12 year olds, after all.

[Wiglaf]

No, we didn't. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you hang out with small children doesn't mean that's the only demographic it's used in.

YOU SASSY YOU SAASSSAYYYY

[Wiglaf]

There are a lot more 25 year olds with $400 to spend on an Xbox than 12 year olds, after all.

No ****. Most kids do not have credit cards. therefore they register with their 30 year old dad's on Xbox live. Think.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
No ****. Most kids do not have credit cards. therefore they register with their 30 year old dad's on Xbox live. Think.

The credit card portion is completely independent of your player profile...it also never asks for the age of the credit card holder...you don't even need to enter the credit card, since younger kids tend to buy subscription cards.

[Wiglaf]

Let's put it this way: you don't go on Xbox Live to find a mature discussion.

My hypothesis is that a lot of younger people dominate Xbox Live.

Yours is that a bunch of adults with the maturity level of 12 year olds use Xbox Live.

I guess it's a minor distinction.