Why is EVE good?

[FrostyBoy]

I am itching to play a "build up" kind of game, yknow the ones where you have to slowly build yourself up over a span of weeks/months with lots of action, like World of Warcraft, GTA, Diablo II.

I was out looking for GTA: San Andreas or Vice City. I've played them both already, but there's nothing out there satisfying with decent graphics and gameplay. Of course, here in shiny Singapore, you can't buy GTA for the PC (its banned), but you can for consoles... sigh.

Anyway, so I remember EVE, it is definitely one of those long build up type games, and I remember it does have action (although I don't think its as fun as GTA or Diablo). One thing that turned me off was the amount of micromanaging. I'm about to download the game now again.. before it has downloaded, i'm hoping someone here can convince me to play this game deeper and further, convince me that this game is worth playing!

[Skanky Burns]

Skills.
You can build your character up to be a jack of all trades, or specialise in certain types of damage-dealing weaponry (drones, missiles, lasers, railguns, all with their strenghts and weaknesses). Or you could chose to ignore weapons and focus on skills for building stuff or mining or whatever. PvP on the market isn't exactly what I would call full of action though, so training one of the weapons would likely be more fulfilling for you. The best feature of the skill system is that it is real-time. A skill takes a certain length of time to complete, if you really need to be away on business for a week you can train a long skill and not lose out on someone else who plays 23 hours a day. The trade-off is you don't make as much isk in that time.

Freedom.
As mentioned above, there is no set way you have to play. Mining, running kill missions, trading on the market (incidently, Eve has the best player-run economy of any MMO I have seen or heard about), building stuff, salvaging, pirating, hunting pirates, the list goes on and on.

Strategy.
Picking which skills to train has many tradeoffs. Do you go for learning skills now to get a much higher total skill level in a month's time, or just get the skills you want as early as possible? Ship setups are a major factor in your success as well. Hundreds of available modules and dozens of viable setups for whatever task you plan for your ship.

I don't see what you mean by micromanaging. You have one ship at a time, you have several modules you control, maybe 5 drones in space; once you know how to, controlling your ship is second nature. The drone interface is, admittedly, quite basic and barely functional, but turning modules on and off is easy and each has its own keyboard shortcut. Drones cut down on micromanagement in easier missions though - they auto-attack anyone targetting my ship, so once they are out I can sit back and tank while they pop every ship nearby.

[DrSpike]

The attraction of Eve is it is the only good MMO on the market where the economy is predominantly player driven, with PvP integrated into the game meaningfully rather than tacked on like in most MMOs.

The downside is I wouldn't join now with the way the skills system works, and, as with all MMOs there is a lot of grinding, especially early on before you can focus on PvP.

[Jon Miller]

Except you can legally buy characters for ISK.

Additionally, after a year you can be an expert pilot in any field, likely several fields. In those fields you will be as good as someone who has played for 4 years.

What I like about it is that it is a much more competitive game then most. The player empires are also very strategic, with thousands of people building structures, defending territory, producing money/modules, and azquiring new territory.

JM

[Skanky Burns]

PvP is 30% character skill, 30% player skill and 40% ship fittings.

[Jon Miller]

YEah, the ship fittings (officer mods and pirate implants) is where a veteran can really beat you. But the difference between that and T2 for many setups isn't that much, so after a year if you focus on a ship type you can be 95% of what the very best PvPers of that ship type can be.

This is because while you can't max out skills in everything, you can max out skills for certain ship/combat types.

Jon Miller
(maybe more if you get more money)

[Nubclear]

Why is EVE good?

It isn't.

[LordShiva]

WTF is EVE?

[Blake]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Except you can legally buy characters for ISK.

Additionally, after a year you can be an expert pilot in any field, likely several fields. In those fields you will be as good as someone who has played for 4 years.

Gotta "love" MMORPG's, "after a YEAR?!!!" I like how things like that are just casually tossed around. It's "only" a year of your gaming time...


I'll hate on MMORPG's if I want to .

[DrSpike]

You're just sore because you let yourself get addicted to WoW.

[Harovan]

That's rich coming from you.

[DrSpike]

Not at all - I did too but I'm not complaining about MMOs. Reading comprehension is key Ralphie.

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Blake
Gotta "love" MMORPG's, "after a YEAR?!!!" I like how things like that are just casually tossed around. It's "only" a year of your gaming time...

What did you want? To be an expert at something as soon as you finish loading up the game? He didn't say you needed to be an expert at something before you could actually use it and get decent results (a few PvP corps use disposable characters in disposable ships and invest only a few hours of training into their characters).

That said, I enjoy market PvP, where a noob can compete on near-equal grounds.

[Jon Miller]

I said in about any area of PvP. Some take a lot less than a year to become an expert in. And generally the last 3% or so of character skill takes 75% of the time. So really, to be decent in PvP in an area generally takes less than 2 months...

Jon Miller

[FrostyBoy]

Well I played it, tutorial took forever, but I don't mind that too much as it kind of emmerses you.

One thing I remember disliking about this game was the inability to land on planets, I'm itching to land on a planet or moon, but can't! Frustrating!!

My 2nd mission (the one after the tutorial) failed. I warped to the correct location; I'm meant to kill some dude, but he's not there, I end up warping all over the place to find this idiot, but I can't, so I am guessing there is a bug or something, which sucks as I had to abort the mission, losing reputation.

Bad experience already... sigh. oh well I hope things get better..