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  • There comes a point where raiding inactives is not worth the effort, yet my attempts to attack others have generally not gone too well. I've had two tell me they were active and please don't attack, so I cancelled those attacks. I just finished another one where he fleetsaved and I got less than 1.5k worth of resources. So far my attempts have cost 12k of deuterium alone...
    I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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    • A foreign fleet of Germanus delivers resources to (33698975):
      Metal:99353 Crystal:0 Deuterium:422

      Within weeks they'll be re-opening the shipyards
      And notifying the next of kin
      Once again...

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      • My One Planet Challenge* continues to progress nicely. Just developed small shields and will be able to build one by the time I get up tomorrow (*looks at clock* erm... later today). Have had a few people (several of them repeat offenders) come near my planet, but no one has attacked in a few days. I keep pretty active and try to soak up as many resources at any given time on projects. I have colony transports now, but I'm not founding any just yet. Once I get my shield in place and my heavy lasers built up then I'll consider expanding for resources.

        *For now I'll stick with one planet, but I'm not set on the strategy.
        The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

        The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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        • I've got one colony, without much development, that I use solely as a crystal supply for my main planet. It is garrisoned with two small cargos to continually shuttle crystal. So far I'm not concerned with really developed colonies.
          Lime roots and treachery!
          "Eventually you're left with a bunch of unmemorable posters like Cyclotron, pretending that they actually know anything about who they're debating pointless crap with." - Drake Tungsten

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          • Colonies are nice in that you don't really need to defend them much. By the time they can afford a shipyard with the resources they produce naturally, a single missile launcher is enough to deter most attacks when coupled with the low resources kept on the planet. I've got 7 colonies and am trying to get big colonies now to keep. My other ones generally use only native resources to build themselves up, so its like after a week you suddenly have a level 17 cow constantly producing for your main base.

            While not earth-shattering, the capital costs are very quickly paid for and keep on giving, even if you do get attacked at your colony.
            I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).

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            • I have now 8 level 14 colonies. I usually let them build their own transports to get their stuff to my main. I´m in ever need for transports for my ever bigger raids
              "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
              "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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              • Would you guys do me a favor and smack around the guy on 3:420:10 he whacked me twice overnight and wiped out my fleet and about half my defenses... didn't raid anything though, I held off 15 battleships (lost 4 battleships, 6 cruisers, 12 L. Cargos, 6 heavy fighters, 6 small cargos, 20 probes, 8 missiles, 7? small lasers, and a gauss cannon in the process)

                He's been launching attacks from 3:420:10, but has more planets in my home system of 3:421, I'd counter raid, but without a fleet it's rather problematic.

                Edit:

                He also recycled the debris field too

                Edit:
                His name is Droth, he is part of WoF alliance, who's stats are here:
                354 + WoF 3 8 2

                Here are his planets that I know of:

                Solar system 3:420
                Planet Name Action
                1
                2
                3
                4 [Hellas] Pluton ( P_M ) Send 1 probe Write MessageBuddy request 33 min
                5 [Hellas] Earth ( P_M ) Send 1 probe Write MessageBuddy request*
                6 [Hellas] Rebetis ( Greek ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                7 [VGCats] SLNR ( Armoas ) Send 1 probe Write MessageBuddy request
                8
                9 [Hellas] LENA IX ( OnlyOne ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                10 [WoF] Kriggalopolis ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                11 [WoF] Tauri ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                12 [cbc] Colony ( Westy ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request 33 min
                13 T [WoF] Dont u love me ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                14 [WoF] Colony ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                15 Ara ka Mara ( Xmen ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request

                Solar system 3:421
                Planet Name Action
                1
                2
                3
                4
                5 Ninzie ( Ninzie(iI) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                6 [WoF] 2 kings ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                7 [WoF] 3rd Street ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                8 [WoF] Bobolopolis ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                9 [WoF] Doom on you ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request*
                10 [WoF] Fairhaven Crew ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                11 [das] andrea999 ( capitan town(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                12 [Apolyton] Atragonia ( Atragon )
                13 [WoF] Happy Juice ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                14 [WoF] What the deuce ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                15


                Edit:

                Here are the battle reports:


                The following fleets were facing each other on 11-05 08:16:26 , as it came to a battle::

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Weapons: 70% Shields: 70% Hull Plating: 80%
                Type L.Cargo L.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Bomber
                Number 9 14 2 15 1
                Weaponry: 8.5 85 680 1700 1700
                Shields 42.5 17 85 340 850
                Hull 2160 720 4860 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Weapons: 40% Shields: 60% Hull Plating: 60%
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo H.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Recy. Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 5 12 5 6 4 2 20 22 18 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 210 560 1400 1.4 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 40 80 320 16 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 1600 4320 9600 2560 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 47 times with the power of 31793 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 1811 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 98 times with the power of 18197 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 4062 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Cargo L.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Bomber
                Number 8 11 1 15 1
                Weaponry: 8.5 85 680 1700 1700
                Shields 42.5 17 85 340 850
                Hull 2160 720 4860 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo H.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Recy. Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 4 11 4 6 4 1 16 18 13 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 210 560 1400 1.4 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 40 80 320 16 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 1600 4320 9600 2560 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 41 times with the power of 34072 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 1670 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 84 times with the power of 18504 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 4873 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Cargo L.Fighter B.Ship Bomber
                Number 7 4 15 1
                Weaponry: 8.5 85 1700 1700
                Shields 42.5 17 340 850
                Hull 2160 720 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo H.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Recy. Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 3 7 3 6 4 1 12 13 12 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 210 560 1400 1.4 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 40 80 320 16 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 1600 4320 9600 2560 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 30 times with the power of 31004 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 1011 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 66 times with the power of 16439 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 2909 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Cargo L.Fighter B.Ship Bomber
                Number 2 1 14 1
                Weaponry: 8.5 85 1700 1700
                Shields 42.5 17 340 850
                Hull 2160 720 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo H.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Recy. Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 3 5 3 4 4 1 9 7 10 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 210 560 1400 1.4 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 40 80 320 16 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 1600 4320 9600 2560 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 22 times with the power of 32401 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 2680 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 50 times with the power of 13793 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 3064 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Fighter B.Ship Bomber
                Number 1 14 1
                Weaponry: 85 1700 1700
                Shields 17 340 850
                Hull 720 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo H.Fighter Cruiser B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 5 3 3 3 5 5 6 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 210 560 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 40 80 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 1600 4320 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 19 times with the power of 30685 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 4077 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 36 times with the power of 11041 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 3960 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Fighter B.Ship Bomber
                Number 1 13 1
                Weaponry: 85 1700 1700
                Shields 17 340 850
                Hull 720 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo Cruiser B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 2 1 3 4 4 4 1 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 560 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 80 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 4320 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 19 times with the power of 30685 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 4059 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 23 times with the power of 7338 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 1965 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type L.Fighter B.Ship Bomber
                Number 1 12 1
                Weaponry: 85 1700 1700
                Shields 17 340 850
                Hull 720 10800 13500

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 1 3 1 2 1 1 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The combat ends in a draw - both remaining fleets return back to their home-planets.


                The attacker has lost a total of 394000 Units.
                The defender has lost a total of 576000 Units.
                At these space coordinates now float 160500 Metal and 97800 Crystal.
                The chance for a moon to arise from the debris is 2 %
                15 Missile Launcher, 12 Small Laser, 1 Gauss Cannon could be repaired.


                The following fleets were facing each other on 11-05 11:49:59 , as it came to a battle::

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Weapons: 70% Shields: 70% Hull Plating: 80%
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Weapons: 40% Shields: 60% Hull Plating: 60%
                Type S.Cargo L.Cargo B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 1 3 1 17 13 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 7 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 40 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 1920 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 22100 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 400 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 41 times with the power of 11027 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 3823 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 3 1 12 8 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 22100 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 5728 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 30 times with the power of 9760 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 2750 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Cargo B.Ship Esp. Probe Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 1 2 1 8 7 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 7 1400 0.014 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 16 320 0.016 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 640 9600 160 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 14 times with the power of 23800 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 953 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 23 times with the power of 7765 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 2549 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type B.Ship Miss. S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 5 2 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 1400 112 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 320 32 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 9600 320 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 22100 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 3920 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 6722 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 1763 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type B.Ship S.Laser Gauss S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 1 2 1 1
                Weaponry: 1400 140 1540 1.4 1.4
                Shields 320 40 320 3200 16000
                Hull 9600 320 5600 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 22100 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 6184 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 7 times with the power of 6022 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 1506 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type B.Ship S.Laser S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 2 1 1 1
                Weaponry: 1400 140 1.4 1.4
                Shields 320 40 3200 16000
                Hull 9600 320 3200 16000

                The attacking fleet fires a total of 13 times with the power of 22100 upon the defender. The defender's shields absorb 7480 damage points
                The defending fleet fires a total of 5 times with the power of 2942 upon the attacker. The attacker's shields absorb 824 damage points

                Attacker Droth (3:421:9)
                Type B.Ship
                Number 13
                Weaponry: 1700
                Shields 340
                Hull 10800

                Defender Atragon (3:421:12)
                Type S.Dome LS.Dome
                Number 1 1
                Weaponry: 1.4 1.4
                Shields 3200 16000
                Hull 3200 16000

                The combat ends in a draw - both remaining fleets return back to their home-planets.


                The attacker has lost a total of 0 Units.
                The defender has lost a total of 331000 Units.
                At these space coordinates now float 39000 Metal and 21300 Crystal.
                12 Missile Launcher, 9 Small Laser, 1 Gauss Cannon could be repaired.
                Last edited by Atragon; November 5, 2005, 09:00.

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                • I have just launched my first attack ever (on a small planet in my system). ETA in 10 minutes. I'm excited like a little girl

                  (I hope that my 3 cruisers won't get hurt )
                  "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                  "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                  "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                  • Originally posted by Cyclotron
                    I've got one colony, without much development, that I use solely as a crystal supply for my main planet. It is garrisoned with two small cargos to continually shuttle crystal. So far I'm not concerned with really developed colonies.
                    I have two colonies close to my home planet, which I use as cows for my home planet. Once I'm further up the tech tree, I'll also use them as supplemental labs.

                    I don't intend to make colonies very far from my home planet. I really see myself as a regional power at best.
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • Originally posted by Atragon
                      Would you guys do me a favor and smack around the guy on 3:420:10 ...

                      Here are his planets that I know of:

                      Solar system 3:420
                      Planet Name Action

                      10 [WoF] Kriggalopolis ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      11 [WoF] Tauri ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request


                      13 T [WoF] Dont u love me ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      14 [WoF] Colony ( Corps(i) ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request


                      Solar system 3:421
                      Planet Name Action

                      6 [WoF] 2 kings ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      7 [WoF] 3rd Street ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      8 [WoF] Bobolopolis ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      9 [WoF] Doom on you ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request*
                      10 [WoF] Fairhaven Crew ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request


                      12 [Apolyton] Atragonia ( Atragon )
                      13 [WoF] Happy Juice ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      14 [WoF] What the deuce ( Droth ) Send 1 probe Missile attack Write MessageBuddy request
                      15


                      I´ll start making a plan .

                      Meanwhile the less developped of us might smack the inactive WoF member in system 420
                      "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                      "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                      • It's pretty far from me (I'm in galaxy 2), but I can give it a try

                        Which of these planets are weak enough for a small fleet to wreak havoc in there?
                        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                        • Spy stats on Tauri:

                          Resources on Tauri [3:420:11] at 11-05 16:16:42
                          Metal: 39955 Crystal: 19376
                          Deuterium: 6178 Energy: 2575
                          Fleets
                          Defence
                          Missile Launcher 3 Small Laser 2
                          Ion Cannon 1
                          Buildings
                          Metal Mine 17 Crystal Mine 15
                          Deuterium Synthesizer 13 Solar Plant 17
                          Fusion Plant 8 Robotic Factory 7
                          Shipyard 6 Metal Storage 2
                          Research Lab 6
                          Research
                          Espionage Technology 4 Computer Technology 4
                          Weapon Technology 6 Shielding Technology 5
                          Armour Technology 6 Energy Technology 5
                          Combustion Engine 6 Impulse Engine 5
                          Laser Technology 7 Ion Technology 5
                          Chance of counterespionage:0%

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                          • News on Atragon´s enemy...

                            I´ve scanned all his planets, and except for his main planet, they are all undefended with no recources stored on them to speak of.

                            His main planet is well defended:

                            Resources on Doom on you [3:421:9] at 11-05 16:01:53
                            Metal: 90387 Crystal: 6641
                            Deuterium: 67878 Energy: 2558
                            Fleets
                            Light Fighter 1 Battle Ship 15
                            Recycler 8 Bomber 1
                            Defence
                            Missile Launcher 197 Small Laser 40
                            Gauss Cannon 2 Ion Cannon 2
                            Small Shield Dome 1 Anti-ballistic Missile 2
                            Chance of counterespionage:9%

                            I spied his techs from one of the little planets.
                            Resources on What the deuce [3:421:14] at 11-05 16:13:45
                            Metal: 3153 Crystal: 280
                            Deuterium: 11676 Energy: 272
                            Fleets
                            Defence
                            Buildings
                            Metal Mine 1 Deuterium Synthesizer 6
                            Solar Plant 7
                            Research
                            Espionage Technology 6 Computer Technology 6
                            Weapon Technology 7 Shielding Technology 7
                            Armour Technology 8 Energy Technology 8
                            Hyperspace Technology 3 Combustion Engine 7
                            Impulse Engine 6 Hyperspace Engine 4
                            Laser Technology 10 Ion Technology 5
                            Plasma Technology 5
                            Chance of counterespionage:0%


                            My main problem is the flight time of 4 hours, which will give him plenty of time to counter any attack.
                            I´m not afraid of his 200 missiles though .

                            Atragon, do you have any idea when this guy is usually online?
                            "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                            "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                            • In about 7 hours, Tauri will PAY!

                              (I have just commissioned 2 extra cruisers, in order to make sure that I'll win against this planet, and pilfer it thoroughly Once these two cruisers are built, I'll send my fleet at Tauri, and the travel should last something like 4 hours)
                              "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                              "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                              "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                              • Maybe Hueij can send one of his ABM´s on this guy? I´ll be happy to pay for it

                                I have the counter ABM´s, but I´ll need a double upgrade to build the attcking one´s...


                                OOPs, the guy has ballistic missiles too.

                                It will be a hard nut to crack, but I think we have found our common target for this weekend

                                Let´s start putting up a roster:

                                C0ckney, are you still up for a 10 AM blast?
                                What fleet can you field?
                                Last edited by germanos; November 5, 2005, 10:46.
                                "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                                "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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