Heroes of Might and Magic 5

[Jamski]

But you'll tell us anyway, right Dan? Right?

[vmxa1]

Glad a better pix was posted. The style can be appreciated or not, that is not objective. I just do not see how anyone can say the clarity and definition is better in previous Homm games, that is nonsense.

One can argue about playablitiy or such as that is indiviuals taste. But I just shake my head at any claim that Homm2 had better graphics than 3 or 4.

I think you are letting nostalgia over take common sense. I get the wave of it when I fire up II.

The progression is straight forward and linear, I, II,III and IV.

[General Ludd]

There's a lot more to graphics than "clarity and definition".

One of the problems with HoMM4 is that it doesn't have any style - it's design is inconsistent and there are numerous things that stick out and are completely out of place, particularily many of the structures and towns.


And following that, I think it's also one of the better points of HoMM2's graphics - a consistent design that allowed everythign to flow together much better than in any of the other games in the series.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
You do realize that image isn't an actual image of HoMM IV, right? It's a scan from a 2001 issue of CGW which was showing prerelease images of what the game looked like then.

THIS is what HoMM IV looks like:






Dan

Many thanks Dan. Now he's doubly wrong.

[vovan]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Many thanks Dan. Now he's doubly wrong.

Uhhh... Dude. It's his personal taste. How can it be right or wrong? He's not stating facts or absolute truths here.

To be honest, I thought HoMM4 graphics were , too, and I prefer previous games in the series to it, in terms of presentation. So what? The fact that you disagree doesn't make the tiniest bit of difference here, because it's not a matter of true or false, but only of personal preferences.

I do agree that it was a bit careless on Ludd's part to post a pre-release screenie, but hey, it triggered a Firaxian sighting.

[DrSpike]

Yes it's a matter of taste. However,

(a) You can see his taste is odd (my original point) through the lack of people who agree that 1 and 2 look better than 4

(b) He already admitted he exaggerated.

(c) His taste disagrees with mine and he is therefore wrong, and doubly so because he cheated.

[vovan]

Originally posted by DrSpike
(c) His taste disagrees with mine and he is therefore wrong

[Nostromo]

Haven't you heard, vovan? Deities are always right!

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Yes it's a matter of taste. However,

(a) You can see his taste is odd (my original point) through the lack of people who agree that 1 and 2 look better than 4

Atleast one person has agreed that 2 has the best graphics and numerous people have agreed that 4's where worse than it's predecesors in general.

(b) He already admitted he exaggerated.

Only in regards to the first being comparable to the fourth. One is old-school 2d, and one is a newer 3d game, so they obviously are not that comparable in that regard.

Uhhh... Dude. It's his personal taste. How can it be right or wrong? He's not stating facts or absolute truths here.

It's a matter of taste only to a degree. It is an "absolute truth" that HoMM4 has an inconsitent graphics design that goes from one extreme of lush and detailed terrain to block-cut structures that have no detail or life to them at all, nor any relation to the rest of the art design or even to any other individual element.

[DarkCloud]

DrSpike- just because someone disagrees with you does not classify them as 'odd' or having 'odd tastes.'

Honestly, clean and simple design is a mass-marketable taste- cluttered and messy design isn't.

I would suppose that he would agree with me that 3D tends to have a cluttered and messy design.

for example, sports sims, in my opinion, had much better graphics back in 1994/1996 than they do today because they were more cartoonish, etc. Nowadays they appear either cluttered/messy or bland and boring since they mimic real life.

Computer games aren't real life. A little style and art is very acceptable as long as that style is clean.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by DarkCloud

I would suppose that he would agree with me that 3D tends to have a cluttered and messy design.

I don't think there's any predisposition to it be cluttered and messy neccisarily, but there is a trend to have 3D for the sake of 3D even when it offers nothing of substance to the game. In those cases, it usually does more to hurt the game than to help and is just a sign of bad design in any case.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
DrSpike- just because someone disagrees with you does not classify them as 'odd' or having 'odd tastes.'

Honestly, clean and simple design is a mass-marketable taste- cluttered and messy design isn't.

I would suppose that he would agree with me that 3D tends to have a cluttered and messy design.

for example, sports sims, in my opinion, had much better graphics back in 1994/1996 than they do today because they were more cartoonish, etc. Nowadays they appear either cluttered/messy or bland and boring since they mimic real life.

Computer games aren't real life. A little style and art is very acceptable as long as that style is clean.

Hehe got ya.

[DarkCloud]

Spammer Troll.

[RGBVideo]

What the series needs is new ideas. The same kind of "zomg you found a fountain gain +1 luck for next battle" -explanations get old real fast.

The graphics in combat look like they're ripped from FF VI or something.

Re Ludd:
I liked the graphics update between 2 and 3. Rougher terrain made it look less fairytalish and more real.

[child of Thor]

I'd heard that HoMM3 was the best of the lot? Anyway i've bought it recently on budget and been enjoying it so far. I've not played any of them before, but its looking ok in a very 'orcs+goblins' kinda way. I might start a thread on it some time to punish the 3D lovers with some screenshots