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  • Originally posted by Apocalypse
    Well they are saying Honor system armor is great against Fear and Priests don't have any other crowd control. And Holy Nova (top of the Holy talent tree) went from semi useful to useless.

    Palys are whining about being nerfed too from a venture to their forums

    I might go back to my hunter for a while. Even though they are apparently getting even more nerfed. I really don't care. Many are cancelling and that just means there will be less competition for groups.
    I take it you're new to MMORPGs?

    Holy Nova got buffed, BTW. If every class is whining about being nerfed, what's the big deal? Think about it.

    People have been saying they were cancelling the game en masse since November. If they do, they come right back. It's the nature of the beast.

    And Paladins aren't whining about being nerfed, they're whining about the ugly lightforge helm graphic and the epic mount quest/graphic.
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    • Originally posted by Apocalypse
      Well hunters are. The new patch will make their number of misses go up by an average of 30% since ranged attacks would now be parried and dodged. Thus at least 1/2 ranged shots will now miss.
      That's nonsense.

      The change is that the miss-rate will depend on the user's defense skill rather than their level, which makes sense. So if a L60 has +20 defense, he will now deflect/dodge/evade behave like a L64. Which is what it should do.

      But! PvP doesn't have the same armor/defense-bonus to 3+ level mobs like PvE does. That is, it'll miss maybe 10% more to someone with +20 defense at L60.

      People are whining and exaggerating like they always do.
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      • Originally posted by Asmodean
        Apocalypse: Why are so many cancelling? This is on the US servers for sure. In EU they are opening new servers now.

        Asmodean
        The US servers are also growing.
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        • Originally posted by Asher

          The change is that the miss-rate will depend on the user's defense skill rather than their level, which makes sense. So if a L60 has +20 defense, he will now deflect/dodge/evade behave like a L64. Which is what it should do.
          Unless he's wearing heavy armour, in which case he should have a maximum 10% of dodging it, no matter how agile he may be.

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          • Originally posted by Asher

            That's nonsense.

            The change is that the miss-rate will depend on the user's defense skill rather than their level, which makes sense. So if a L60 has +20 defense, he will now deflect/dodge/evade behave like a L64. Which is what it should do.

            But! PvP doesn't have the same armor/defense-bonus to 3+ level mobs like PvE does. That is, it'll miss maybe 10% more to someone with +20 defense at L60.

            People are whining and exaggerating like they always do.
            Nah, the number is consistently around 30% on average from tests done on the test server. Rogues are pretty much impossible to hit now.
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            • Originally posted by duke o' york


              Unless he's wearing heavy armour, in which case he should have a maximum 10% of dodging it, no matter how agile he may be.
              Wish it worked like that (logically), because then I'd be pretty much immune to rogues with tiny daggers.
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              • If someone's wearing full plate mail, shouldn't he "block" 90%+ of all arrows anyway?
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                • I'm level 18 now, and got all new gear. Today, I have been doing a series of rather easy quests in Westfall. Now I am in Loch Modan, doing quests relating to The Dark Iron League (or something like that).

                  My char:

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                  • Originally posted by Asher
                    If someone's wearing full plate mail, shouldn't he "block" 90%+ of all arrows anyway?
                    Actually most plate mail was never good for arrows and didn't provide much blocking power at all.

                    And frankly, parrying is the big problem I have. Blizzard is saying people should have always been able to parry and block arrows and bullets and the current system is a bug but in the parry description it specifically says "melee."
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                    • And still no e-mail from Blizzard.

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                      • Originally posted by Apocalypse
                        Actually most plate mail was never good for arrows and didn't provide much blocking power at all.
                        How the hell would an arrow penetrate a full set of plate mail? The thing would shatter.
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                        • Originally posted by Lord Nuclear
                          And still no e-mail from Blizzard.
                          Probably because they have no idea, and it sounds like a problem completely unrelated to the game. From your previous posts in other threads it's sounds like you've FUBARed your firewall.
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                          • Originally posted by Asher
                            How the hell would an arrow penetrate a full set of plate mail? The thing would shatter.
                            Well arrows can penetrate the average plate fairly well according to tests, worse than chain (though the good quality was typically fashioned to prevent it. Bullets on the other hand are kinda ridiculous.

                            Arrows that can't penetrate never shattered either, just were deflected. Deflection was already in there.

                            Furthermore, you just shouldn't dodge and parry ranged weapons. It's crazy.
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                            • As the only person here I know that has worn it, I will defer to Child of Thor in the armour debate. Unfortunately, I can't be bothered to find the thread in which he shared his experience with us.

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                              • I was wondering, if I create and alt on the same server as my main char, can I mail items to my alt, to help him along?

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