KOTOR is w00tly

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by SnowFire
Well, there's some of that in the game. Mind-controlling witnesses to testify "properly" in court will net you dark side points, and that's a very Palpatine thing to do.

That is probably the only part where you get to do things the Palpatine way.

But I figured that a Dark Sider, even one like Palpatine would rather see Sunry get fried, seeing as how getting him cleared helps the Republic, and hinders the Sith.

Loved that subplot BTW. No black and white distinctions. No moral high ground. Just pure politics and a battle of words that's part of a greater war. Either way, I would walk out of the courtroom feeling dirty about the outcome I brought forth.

Still, things like collecting unjust bounties aren't bad Dark Side things to do. I had no problem doing those. Also, some of the attitudes you could present by your statment also worked- telling the Sith Governor on Taris you'd rend the flesh from his bones, or something.

Yeah, those aren't as petty as forcing a poor widow to give you the wraid plate she was hoping to sell to feed her starving family, or scrapping the runaway droid on Dantooine and telling its owner it is still out there. Both of those examples, and the vast majority of others are totally uncalled for, even for an evil mastermind.

And I will admit that Force Choking the rude Czerka guy in the cantina on Tatooine is adequately Vader like. And my character telling the Sith Governor on Taris that he's going to enjoy gutting him sent a chill down my spine. If not that, then the response I get from the Governor.

The second plot twist I don't think fit as well, but whatever, I guess they needed to do that. I know that they tried to explain the Sith army by having somebody mention that they tortured captured Jedi until they turned...

Yeah, I don't really like the second plot twist. I've seen that particular plot device used so many times. Bioware had already used it once before (though it held a bigger impact in the said previous release IMO).

the thing is, I can totally buy that being tortured will bring out your desire for revenge and help turn you to the Dark Side. What I don't buy is that you'd then join the person who was torturing you! You'd be just using the Force any way you can to kill your oppressor! If Bastilla had killed Malak and taken up command of the Sith fleet herself, that'd have been neat.

Then my male LS character would be left heartbroken when he can't bring her back.

Anyway, Malak was far more powerful than Bastila ever could be in such a short amount of time. There was just no way she could ever defeat him. His torture of her was designed for more than just breaking her will and filling her heart with anger and hate. It was his assertion of dominance over her. A cheap show of superiority to keep her in line once she had finally broken.

[Dis]

speak for yourselves.

I liked being a thug . The only thing I couldn't do was do anything evil to that alien on the top level of Taris. The one the kids are making fun of. I chased the kids off and threatened the kids life. For some reason I couldn't take the most evil option there. I felt sorry for the alien

Thuggery

[Tassadar500]

This is Star Wars, not Detroit.

[Guynemer]

[Dis]

none of you consider Vader a thug?

He chokes a guy for a simple screw up? It wasn't even his fault.

[Pythagoras]

Originally posted by Dissident
none of you consider Vader a thug?

He chokes a guy for a simple screw up? It wasn't even his fault.

I'd say blatent thuggery does equal dark side, but the finesse at which the emperor conducts his evil is also of teh dark side. However, that finesse is very dificult, if not impossible to capture in a game.

[Jethro83]

Originally posted by Dissident
speak for yourselves.

I liked being a thug . The only thing I couldn't do was do anything evil to that alien on the top level of Taris. The one the kids are making fun of. I chased the kids off and threatened the kids life. For some reason I couldn't take the most evil option there. I felt sorry for the alien

Thuggery

Even my Light Side characters are tough enough to threaten to hurt those brats if they don't leave the Ithorian alone. And if you refuse to help the Ithorian Carth threatens those kids instead.


Oh, and...

Thuggery

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Dissident
none of you consider Vader a thug?

He chokes a guy for a simple screw up? It wasn't even his fault.

Not the point I was making. Anekin doesn't just go around choke-holding people to begin with. He faces difficult choices, chooses badly, and slowly reaches the point where he choke-holds people.

[Bkeela]

After loudly denigrating this game for awhile, I now have to make an embarrassing retraction.

I completed my first run through the game last night, and feel pretty pleased about the experience.

The game turned around for me during the incredible plot twist, when I learnt to true identity of my character. Everything suddenly made sense.

I had felt fairly apathetic and unsatisfied with the story up until that point, for my character had a non-existent history, and the shoddy Jedi training he received seemed cheap and unrealistic. I kept wishing my character had been raised as a Jedi because it would have made the good/evil choices more interesting. So the twist took me by surprise in a big way. It was almost as satisfying as the climax of Fight Club, when Ed Norton discovers he is infact Tyler Durden.

After the plot twist I gained much more pleasure performing the plot advancement missions, which had previously felt tedious.

I still have one complaint with the game though: the 3D engine sucked. The camera really irritated me during many parts of the game. I lost count of the times my view was obscured by my other characters - sometimes even during talk segements. One of the final puzzles where you needed to step on floor tiles in a specific way was made more frustrating by the claustrophobic camera.

It was a shame that Knights didn't have the polish of other 3D games like Zelda or Mario or even Ico.

Anyway, I'll definitely be playing through this game again. My faith has been restored somewhat in the opinion of the majority. A warning about the slow start would have been nice though.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Bkeela
After loudly denigrating this game for awhile, I now have to make an embarrassing retraction.

But why didn't you bump the thread where my posts convinced you to give KotOR another try? That would have shown more clearly that listening to me on all game issues brings happiness.

[Bkeela]

Well, it was actually Gaming Steve that convinced me to stick with the game. He did a review of KOTOR in one of his podcasts

[DrSpike]

Ah come on, you said it sucked, I pointed out you were wrong, and the very next post you were playing it. Give me some credit here!

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Bkeela
The game turned around for me during the incredible plot twist, when I learnt to true identity of my character. Everything suddenly made sense.

Doh!

Originally posted by Bkeela
It was almost as satisfying as the climax of Fight Club, when Ed Norton discovers he is infact Tyler Durden.

Doh!

[Barinthus]

To be fair, asleep, someone else already ruined the game in some other thread

[DrSpike]

Spoiler tags are your friend BKeela.