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    A Flat Panel Doesn't Always Compute

    By Mike Musgrove
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, October 24, 2004; Page F07

    This was supposed to be the year that bulky cathode-ray tube monitors for desktop computers disappeared, replaced by the slick, svelte and affordable liquid-crystal displays that have been catching on among PC buyers.

    But it turns out that CRTs aren't going away without a fight. This year, according to the research firm IDC, sales of LCD monitors did finally nudge past those of CRT displays, but the result was as close as some election-year polls: LCDs nabbed 50.2 percent of the market.

    "The early predictions were that CRTs would get slaughtered this year, but that hasn't happened," said Bob O'Donnell, analyst at the firm.

    O'Donnell blames bad pricing moves by the manufacturers of the flat-panel displays, which also go into laptop computers and some television sets. "Basically, the LCD guys got greedy and kicked their price up," he said. "But it turns out people are more price-sensitive than the monitor guys were willing to admit."

    This may force budget-minded consumers this fall to settle for a hefty CRT instead of the stylish LCD they had in mind.

    Prices were on the way down last year and electronics stores had a hard time keeping the displays in stock, but LCD prices surged north early this year, slowing sales momentum. And although LCD monitors are much cheaper than they were a few years ago, there's still a wide price gap between the two display types. For example, a 19-inch CRT display typically costs $250, while a similarly sized LCD runs about twice that price.

    That price gap can shrink if you factor in operating expenses. Many industry analysts estimate that LCDs cost about the same as CRTs over time, thanks to their lower electrical consumption. But for many shoppers, sticker price still comes first.

    "In terms of demand, I think everyone would like to own an LCD," said Rick Schwartz, senior product manager at Gateway. "But the trend right now is for really affordable PCs. You're not going to see a $499 PC with an LCD monitor."

    And some figure that almost no price difference is too small. Tom Anderson, vice president of worldwide marketing for consumer PCs at Hewlett-Packard, remembers a few years ago when HP sold both 14- and 15-inch CRTs. The price difference between the two shrank and shrank -- but as long as there was a difference, many customers went for the slightly cheaper set with the smaller screen. "People bought that 14-inch for a long, long, long time," he said.

    Rival computer giant Dell tells the same story; "There's always going to be a holdout," said Robert Thompson, product manager of displays at Dell, "but 99 percent of our customers want to buy flat panel, it's just that the price isn't there."

    The remaining 1 percent of CRT loyalists seems to be mostly hardcore computer gamers. These users typically lead the market in their willingness to ante up for cutting-edge gear, but many of them still feel that CRT monitors remain the display of choice for playing computer games.

    Whether that's true is a matter of dispute. While early LCDs did not always refresh picture elements quickly enough to deliver a crisp picture, many think that LCDs are nearly as good as CRT displays these days on this front.

    But some don't. Craig Levine, manager of Team3D, a professional computer game-playing team sponsored by Nvidia and HP, figures that today's LCD screens can refresh each picture element about 80 times per second. But cutting-edge new video graphics cards can generate 125 such images per second -- meaning that the computer may be generating images faster than that LCD monitor can actually display them.

    Can the human eye actually tell the difference? Maybe, maybe not -- but folks obsessive enough to make a living playing computer games aren't going to take any chances.

    "LCDs are nice for my mom or my dad or your typical college kid," Levine said. "But my gaming machine, it's got a CRT and it's going to stay that way."
    I have never played a game on LCD screen so I can't really comment on this. I'm sure some of you have played on a LCD monitor so I was wondering do you agree or disagree with this article about CRTs being better for games?
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  • #2
    I was going to make a similar thread in off-topic, but this is better

    Actually I was going to ask what people have for their monitor. My brother has a LCD for his wife, and a laptop. Both screens look much, much sharper than CRT's. And they also look better than my CRT.

    And I'm wondering if I should get an LCD. I probably won't until my CRT goes out, then I definately will. I don't play that many "fast" games, and the one's I do play, the graphical quality isn't the most important feature for me.

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    • #3
      Re: CRTs vs LCDs

      Originally posted by Barinthus


      I have never played a game on LCD screen so I can't really comment on this. I'm sure some of you have played on a LCD monitor so I was wondering do you agree or disagree with this article about CRTs being better for games?
      and I have played the game Battlefield: Vietnam on my brother's laptop (using a regular PC mouse which is cool). The game played damn well. It looked great to me.

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      • #4
        Yes, CRTs are better. They have a better response time. You don't have those viewing angle problems you have with LCDs. You can also change the screen's resolution. LCD's have what they call a native resolution. If you want to change the screen resolution, the LCD uses different kind of tricks. But the image quality is at its best at the native resolution.
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        • #5
          Like nostromo said, CRT's actually have better picture. They use more mature technology after all.
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          • #6
            Using an LCD now, had been on CRT before. Performance both are excellent (this is while running TBS & RTS- nothing full 3D yet) The smaller footprint of the monitor is a huge plus though, frees up lots of desk space for other goodies.
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            • #7
              CRTs seem to be better for higher resolutions. Otherwise it doesn't matter or the edge goes to LCDs.
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              • #8
                IME, even if a CRT in theory has better resolution, the image quality is better on an LCD because there's no glass (and much, much better than non-flatscreen CRT's).

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                • #9
                  For gaming, a CRT is better?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Nuclear Master
                    For gaming, a CRT is better?
                    Yes, they have a better response time. Of course, if you play Civ, response time is pointless...
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                    • #11
                      No way.

                      The directional issues on LCD's aren't really a big deal, since you're not ever going to be looking at the screen from an angle like that anyway. Also, LCD's are easier to reposition and, as I said, they have practically better graphics due to the lack of glass.

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                      • #12
                        But for 3-D games, like World of Warcraft, CRTs are the way to go, correct?

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                        • #13
                          In a lot of LCD reviews, you often read that the image quality of the LCD panel reviewed is almost as good as a CRT.
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                          • #14
                            Any game that is not in the native resolution of the LCD will look better on a CRT.

                            LCDs can suffer from ghosting as well.

                            Once they can match price and performance, I switch in a heartbeat, but my 21" CRT is going nowhere right now.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy
                              Any game that is not in the native resolution of the LCD will look better on a CRT.

                              LCDs can suffer from ghosting as well.

                              Once they can match price and performance, I switch in a heartbeat, but my 21" CRT is going nowhere right now.
                              how big is that thing!

                              my 19 inch takes up so much space. And very damn heavy.

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