FG: Mafia XXIV: Jurassic Park

[Frozzy]

Accepting votes? If you're preparing to leave a house without someone, and they come at the last second as you're stepping out the door, do you leave them behind?

[Ljube]

Originally posted by SnowFire
Yes, but it's pretty annoying that if both mafias survive, then the one that wins is whichever happens to be lucky enough to vote in the last night round. There'd be a distinct advantage to being the mafia who got that vote.

Well, now they know each other and it's up to them to make the move.

Originally posted by SnowFire
Besides, such an occurence SHOULD be rare. It takes a sublimely incompotent villagers (or else actively misleading clues) to have that happen; random chance should insure that a mafia win is rare enough, and a double mafia win is even rarer.

The clues couldn't have been more obvious.
And the occurrence has become much more frequent recently.

[Kassiopeia]

Accepting votes? If you're preparing to leave a house without someone, and they come at the last second as you're stepping out the door, do you leave them behind?

The deadline had passed several hours before you voted, the fact that I didn't get around to declaring the result until just before you tried to vote is irrelevant.

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia


No, it's not. The Mafia never know of each other (and trying to contact the other is risky business at best), so they can not co-operate.

Well, now they know of each other.

Originally posted by Kassiopeia

And the other Mafia runs the risk of the other Mafia killing them accidentally or intentionally anyway, so there's motive to gun for the other Mafia too. It's definitely everything BUT the allied victory in GO. Nevermind the fact that a Mafia conspiracy would not wreck the game, because they still only can kill one person a turn together. The villagers will have a fighting chance, if they figure out the clues (granted, it seems they never do unless they're thrown at them ).

Like Snowfire said, I find it unfair that the advantage would be given completely arbitrarily based on who happens to be Mafia #1 or #2. And, like Snowfire said, it's not the fault of either Mafia if the villagers manage to let both live.

Mafia conspiracy effectively reduces the number of rounds by one. As it stands now, if the two cooperate, they have won the game at this moment. In my opinion, this wrecks the game.

[Kassiopeia]

Well, now they know of each other.

You mean your own theory on the matter? I can't prevent people from posting to this thread what they think are the facts, and I can't prevent any Mafia from believing or not believing them. Your information is your own conjuncture.

Mafia conspiracy effectively reduces the number of rounds by one. As it stands now, if the two cooperate, they have won the game at this moment. In my opinion, this wrecks the game.

How does it wreck it, exactly? If both Mafia are now alive and, as you say, aware of each other, the villagers lose in any case. Where does the wrecking happen?

How would you yourself as a GM solve it if the two Mafia survive and are on the final round with one villager left? They'll execute one of them and if still the two Mafia remain, the other Mafia will kill the other just because the turn order favours them? I find that silly and arbitrary, personally.

In my opinion it does not violate the spirit of the game either: in GO There Can Be Only One has been the tradition, but in Mafia many villagers can win - why not many Mafias?

[joncha]

I like the both Mafia live solution. Either that, or they simultaneously kill each other.

[Ljube]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia


You mean your own theory on the matter? I can't prevent people from posting to this thread what they think are the facts, and I can't prevent any Mafia from believing or not believing them. Your information is your own conjuncture.

Originally posted by Kassiopeia

How does it wreck it, exactly? If both Mafia are now alive and, as you say, aware of each other, the villagers lose in any case. Where does the wrecking happen?

How would you yourself as a GM solve it if the two Mafia survive and are on the final round with one villager left? They'll execute one of them and if still the two Mafia remain, the other Mafia will kill the other just because the turn order favours them? I find that silly and arbitrary, personally.

If it were possible for only one mafia to win, the one on the receiving end in the last round would quickly execute the killing one the round before.
If it remains like the last time you were GM, the mafia will execute a villager and in the last round both will vote out the other villager.

[Kassiopeia]

The last time both Mafia were allowed to win I don't recall hearing much discussion on the matter, and I've taken that to mean that the decision was sound. Ljube has been the first one to contest it, as far as I recall.

Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko

If it were possible for only one mafia to win, the one on the receiving end in the last round would quickly execute the killing one the round before.

If they knew with satisfying certainty that the other Mafia was alive and who they were, and if they thought the same way you do. If I were the Mafia I'd opt (had I a better source than your infamous deductions ) to be the only one left and just try to execute the other Mafia, even if I could win with them.

If it remains like the last time you were GM, the mafia will execute a villager and in the last round both will vote out the other villager.

See above. You can not assume that you think like everyone else does.

[Hercules]

Wow a weekend of inactivity and now a flood of posting.

[Frozzy]

The deadline had passed several hours before you voted, the fact that I didn't get around to declaring the result until just before you tried to vote is irrelevant.

Six is so many hours

[Hercules]

Well I guess its down to Spaced, Ben Kenobi and Gamecube64 and me.

[Ljube]

I'm ignoring mafia posts. Just like he is ignoring me.

Kassi, who of the two is about to kill? Send me a PM.

With this post I conclude my contribution to the thread until the mafias have been revealed. You won't know if Kassi sent me a PM or not

[Kassiopeia]

The remaining five people huddled together around a makeshift bonfire they had set up in one of the smaller storehouses and contemplated their predicament. There wouldn't soon be anyone to board the supply ship which was now only two nights away. Two very, very long nights. Guiterrez went out to search for some food. Malcolm vanished without a trace and was replaced by a shimmering image of little Timmy, but no one seemed to take note of this.

Desperately they sought for a culprit. Another morbid election was held. "I know who it is! It's Dr. Satler!" Regis broke the silence and pointed at her. "So it is!" concurred the Lab Technician.

"I am not!" the Doctor protested. "Guiterrez is a really shady character. He's out there plotting against us, I can feel it." The Park Guide agreed.

"It's a tie", Regis declared. "We'll toss a coin and see who fate favours", he continued, to three nods.

"I call heads", said Satler. Regis flipped a coin, and heads it was. Guiterrez (Kalius) walked in, and before he had a chance to do or say anything, the other four jumped on him and beat him to death.

The four went to bed, sleeping in a mix of calm and fright, a few of them already trying to accept their gloomy fate.

Three of them awoke to the pleasant surprise of being alive. The Park Guide (Ben Kenobi), however, did not: he had been strangled to death, judging by the very deep and red marks left on his throat.

One more night.

Name

Position

Status



1. Kuciwalker

Ian Malcolm

former GM (real life r8)




2. Whoha

Dr. Grant
villagers r3 electrocuted


3. Adagio

Velociraptor

mafia r0 lysine deficiency


4. Spaced Cowboy

Dr. Satler
Still around


5. Method

Hammond

villagers r5 thrown from helicopter


6. Gamecube64

Ed Regis

Still around


7. Jonny

Arnold

mafia r4 neck snapped


8. rah

Muldoon

mafia r6 irradiated


9. Ljube-ljcvetko

Nedry

villagers r8 [i]veriformans[/i] poisoning


10. Snowfire

Lex

villagers r2 run over


11. Hercules

Lab Technician

Still around


12. Kassiopeia

The Ghost of Timmy 
new GM (mafia r1 electrified)


13. loinburger

Gennaro

mafia r8 [i]veriformans[/i] poisoning


14. joncha

Ross

villagers r1 cut off


15. FlameFlash

Helicopter Pilot 
mafia r7 [i]veriformans[/i] poisoning


16. Ben Kenobi

Park Guide

mafia r9 strangled


17. Skanky Burns

Construction Worker
mafia r3 [i]Melia[/i] poisoning


18. duke o' york

Dr. Harding 
mafia r5 lysine overdose


19. DrSpike

Security Guard

villagers r6 thrown from copter


20. gjramsey

Dr. Wu 
mafia r2 lysine poisoning


21. Tuberski

Dinosaur Handler
villagers r7 drowned


22. Frozzy

Guiterrez

villagers r8 beaten to pulp


23. DarkCloud

Dr. Stone

villagers r4 electricuted

[Spaced Cowboy]

Not much hope for the only citizen. But I'm going to take Hercules with me.

[Hercules]

Yeah I kinda thought I might be set up.

LL posts his ideas and then Ben Kenobi gets killed.

But Spaced Cowboy Kuciwalker's clues point to you.

That 'veriformans' poisoning; in the book it was associated with Dr Satler, that is you Spaced. How many times was it mentioned?

Also Kuciwalker's clues include a reference to Hell. Well guess whose avatar when it is displayed, features a very prominent Hell.

I think L-L got it wrong as usual. The christianity references, instead of referring to poor Kenobi, hint at you. Look at your own sig 'I Pray' . I know you didn't say that, but its a reference nevertheless. And there's more.