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  • Crizzap. I almost had a change of heart at the start of this round, too -- Rah just seemed a bit too suspicious with his voting, especially voting for Kalius last round. I had no expectation of Smiley changing his plans of voting for me, though.

    My biggest mistake was that I was stuck on trying to link the clues to the historical figures, not to the posters. (Especially since all of the gjramsey clues were linked to Franklin and not gjramsey.)
    Last edited by loinburger; June 21, 2004, 13:29.
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    • Originally posted by HongHu
      Wow such a great play rah! And I helped you in saying "it couldn't be rah because I would have been killed much earlier" right? But you didn't kill me did you?
      No I didn't. I was afraid if I did, you'd start accusing me. I wanted to stay beneath the radar early, (since I too sometime vote for the person with the most posts in the thread figuring they have a need to manipulate.)

      I actually even wacked a couple of people that voted for me that round, which I normally would never do. But the clues were so obvious (at least to me ) that I started acting out of desperation.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • Since I am still realitivly new posting to 'poly, not much anyone can do to link to me as a poster. Even though Jamski did good a couple of Mafia back with my arse

        Does make the game a little more interesting figuring the clues. And the ones for Rah were pretty darned good.

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        • Great game... nice playing rah
          This space is empty... or is it?

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          • Thanx, I killed you at the end because I figured you wouldn't be fooled and vote for me at the end.

            But I am surprised that no one (Loin) didn't read the previous just prior to voting, I figured a change in the killing style for the last important one would attract more scrutiny. I was planning that he would continue his previous voting, which is why I left him alive. The same with smiley.
            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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            • Congrats, Rah. I'm honored to have participated in a Maffia were one survives.
              He who knows others is wise.
              He who knows himself is enlightened.
              -- Lao Tsu

              SMAC(X) Marsscenario

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              • Clues that pointed to rah.


                Chapter 1 – Where is the heir?


                Clue 1
                “It is the best of times, it is the worst of times, there are a king with a large jaw and a queen with a fair face, on the throne of France”, citizen Hébert started his speech.
                A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens. The main character is a revolutionary and also twin.


                Clue 2
                Guillotin said.
                “... And to make sure this law is not vetoed I introduced the King with the design of my machine. He even gave some very useful remarks about the blade that should be triangular, placed at an angle rather than horizontal, which I incorporated into my design.”
                Which shows he’s King’s friend. (recorded for evidence to be used later)


                Clue 3
                Place de Grève
                The square in Paris where the guillotine was first used. Place de Grève is also mentioned in Victor Hugo’s The hunchback of Notre Dame in connection with the guillotine.


                Clue 4
                flogged to death
                Already explained and repeated many times.


                Chapter 2 – End to his misery


                Clue 5
                Place de Grève repeated
                Repeating this should have been enough for someone to start looking for it (google anyone?).


                Clue 6
                This was a particularly strange thing to do since Mr. Pitt has had a perfect alibi for the whole evening yesterday which he had spent with the revolutionary leader George Danton discussing the matters of French politics and preparing for the conference of foreign leaders the next day.
                Guynemer’s innocence established.


                Clue 7
                mob written in italic
                recorded for evidence to be used later


                Chapter 3 - Too young to die


                Clue 8 and 9
                “Private Chauvin, have there been any visitors to the Tuileries Palace while you were on duty. Your shift was what? Eight hours long?”
                “No sir, I took double shift to be free the next day. Fourteen hours long, Sir.”
                “Yes, fourteen hours long. So, who came to visit the King?”
                “Many people Sir, but all of them King’s friends.”
                “So, none of the Jacobins if I understand correctly.”
                “None of them Sir, but many others.”
                This conversation contained 2 clues.
                First an odd arithmetic of Skanky and Hercules (2 times 8 equals 14 instead of 16) should have rung the bell that 14 was somehow significant. Fourteen is rah’s number in the table.
                Second, Chauvin exonerated all Jacobins and implicated King’s friends (link with clue 2).


                Clue 10
                Place St. Antoine
                Another square which hosted the guillotine for a while in the revolutionary period.


                Chapter 4 - His luck has just run out


                Clue 11
                Guillotin informed the marquis about his examination of the body of Prince Louis and how he had discovered something strange. Previously he had thought the murderer had inflicted the injuries using a whip, or a cord of some kind. But after the preliminary examination he was no longer sure. Judging by the lesions on the Prince’s body, the murderer was probably using a stick of some kind.
                A stick was used to flog people, not a whip.


                Clue 12
                “It is obviously the work of a madman. An insane, unreasonable man”, Guillotin commented the killer’s state of mind.
                “Not necessarily, my friend”, replied comte de Sade. “I have spent my entire life studying the human character. Judging by what I have seen, our killer is not deranged at all. I believe he appears as a model of sanity, paradigm of reason during the day. But his other nature, the vile, devious, sadistic one shows during the night.”
                “Yes, sadistic indeed.”
                Our Prince of moderators is also known as Master of Reason.


                Chapter 5 – The King is dead, long live the King


                Clue 13
                “It is the age of wisdom, it is the age of foolishness, it is the epoch of belief, it is the epoch of incredulity”, Hébert started his speech.
                Again a quote from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


                Clue 14
                Place du Carroussel
                A square where most of the political executions took place.


                Clue 15
                Yes, Maria. Mister Jefferson can arrange for your papers and you can leave France tomorrow. Meet us, please, in a cafe at the Revolution Plaza.
                Revolution Plaza = Place de la Révolution, the square where King Louis, Queen Marie-Antoinette, Robespierre and his friends and the most of people during the Reign of Terror were guillotined.


                Clue 16
                Cafe Stock
                Cafe Stock = café Stick, the murder weapon. Clues 15 and 16 were from the conversation in German.


                Chapter 6 – Free at last


                Clue 17
                mob written in italic again
                recorded for evidence to be used later


                Clue 18
                “Rich!”
                Rah’s name.


                Chapter 7 - American in Paris


                Clue 19 and 20
                barrière du Trône, Place de Grève repeated third time
                Places that hosted the guillotine between 1792 and 1794.


                Clue 21
                His body was already badly decomposed having bite marks of various species of small mammals such as mice, rats, weasels, etc.
                Mice, rats, weasels, ferrets, …


                Clue 22
                small jade figurine
                Ming dynasty jade figurine.


                Chapter 8 – A farewell to short Corsican


                Clue 23
                “General Bonaparte, I have examined Mr. Jefferson’s body and I am certain now the killer did the flogging using some kind of stick. The bite marks appeared to be quite deliberate and they were consistent with bites of several species of polecats. It is a monstrous work of a deranged sadistic individual who was so extreme in his obsession that he would go to such lengths to arrange the killings in the way he did.”
                “I don’t share your views Dr. Guillotin. I don’t see him as a very extreme person. In fact he might seem quite moderate. Otherwise we would have got him by now. But thanks for your findings anyway.”
                Rah’s a moderator.


                Chapter 9 - An elegant death


                Clue 24
                Place de la Révolution
                Mentioned again in connection with the killings.


                Clue 25
                rare, ornate porcelain vase
                Ming dynasty china.


                Chapter 10 – Death to the tyrant


                Clue 26
                Place de la Révolution
                How many times do I have to repeat this?


                Clue 27
                Barriere Ranverse
                Guillotine stood there.


                Clue 28
                His half naked body was discovered next morning in a sarcophagus in the Musee du Louvre. Guynemer was lying there, face up, his arms crossed, apparently flogged to death.
                Sarcophagus and crossed arms are the symbols of the ancient Egyptian kings = Rah (remember his previous avatar).


                Chapter 11 - Counter-revolution at work


                Clue 29
                "It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done.”
                Another line from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


                Clue 30
                Comte de Mirabeau was so irritated he could hold his thoughts no more.
                “And the same mob was shouting death to the King a week ago. I hate the mob. It is so unreasonable.”
                “That’s why it’s called the mob”, replied Guillotin.
                An obscure clue but in connection with clues 7 and 17 and the next clue 34 produces one of rah’s best lines.
                “Mob, mod, same irrational behaviour.”
                One of you used to have this line in their signature. You Hong Hu?


                Clue 31
                Place de la Révolution again
                the zodiac
                There are 12 zodiac signs. Only virgin and Gemini point to people. Gemini points directly at him.


                Chapter 12 – Revolution revived


                Clue 32
                There a heated discussion ensued which resulted in the removal of King Louis by a majority of just 23 votes out of 749 representatives. His death sentence was adopted with an even thinner majority of only 14 votes. The issue of the introduction of the Directorate received a much higher majority of 156 votes.
                Quite unusual report on voting. Contains number 14 (rah’s number).


                Clue 33
                There, he received his last meal, a thin slice of toasted bread with butter and a cup of stale water, quite unlike the cakes and champagne he used to consume while he was spending the days in idle self-indulgence at the court.
                What rah likes to say closing the threads? Toast!


                Clue 34
                Mirabeau was irritated.
                “This is a good example of the irrational behaviour of the mob. Yesterday the same people were shouting Long live the King and listen to them now.”

                Clue 35
                “It is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known”
                Final line from A tale of two cities by Charles Dickens.


                Clue 36
                “Hmm, very strange. It doesn’t look like the usual weapon the killer was using. Something seems backwards, since it looks like a club was used to flog the person this time.”
                Flog backwards is golf.

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                • Gjramsey


                  Jamski got the clues from the second chapter.

                  Blackened fingers, as anyone knows from Name of the Rose, mean poison from turning the pages of a book, and licking the fingers, and lead poisoning suggests a pencil.

                  Who was writing a lot?

                  On the papers there was Sa+under then Rich and then poor.

                  Poor Richard’s Almanac or Richard Saunders Franklin’s byname.

                  The funny thing about the clue Rich is that it points to both mafias.


                  You have gotten the kite clue already.

                  Then there was the soap and the candle. Benjamin Franklin’s father was soap and candle maker.

                  Then there were the stove and the swimming fin, both Franklin’s inventions.

                  The badge PUFC means Philadelphia's Union Fire Company. I even mentioned Philadelphia a few paragraphs before.

                  The bells striking 7 o’clock were the liberty bells of course.

                  Also poisoning was the method because of Benjamin Franklin's age.

                  And he left so many clues at the crime scenes because he was unable to overcome the rigour mortis of his victims.

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                  • Damn, I missed some the them.

                    The continued references to TALE OF TWO CITIES, I thought would be more troublesome. But fortunately people just took them as color for the setting used.

                    Yes, a lot of somewhat obscure clues, but look how many there were. Great job creating them. I only helped a a couple. And for those that say they were all too obscure, there was a card that said "RICH"
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko

                      Originally posted by Smiley
                      rhomboid wood frame
                      wood was exposed to intense heat for a short period of time
                      Clues related to the previous murder, namely the poisoning mafia.


                      Originally posted by Smiley
                      barrière du Trône
                      Place de Grève
                      small mammals such as mice, rats, weasels, etc.
                      Jade figurine
                      Clues related to the flogging mafia.
                      I nearly killed both mafias with this single post. Then the Jacobin card red herring had to follow. I didn't expect anyone would buy it, though

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                      • Yes, thank god for the Jacobin card.
                        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                        RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                        • I Googled the Place de Greve. I thought it was flavor, and more to the point, I had already ruled out Guilotin because, like loinburger, I was looking almost entirely for historical clues and Guilotin didn't fit.

                          -tko: That post DID get Franklin, since after reading it I came to my kite conclusion.

                          I still don't get the Tale of Two Cities references, though. I mean, I noticed them, but is that rah's favorite book or something?
                          All syllogisms have three parts.
                          Therefore this is not a syllogism.

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                          • Color me impressed.


                            Snowfire, re: Tale of Two Cities--the main character is a twin.
                            "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                            "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                            • Wow. Great clues.

                              I would've loved to try to decipher them, but I couldn't and wouldn't since these idiots executed me.
                              Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test. Thank you for helping us help you help us all!

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                              • It is possible that some don't realize that I'm Ming's twin. Nawwww
                                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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