idea pertaining to newbs and games (Mafia)

[Zopperoni]

OK, here's a recapitulation of the main ideas posted. If anyone thinks that I missed something vital, please mention it.

Main Idea
To support the growth of the Mafia game and to relieve the original Mafia game, a spin-off will be introduced. For convenience and distinction, this spin-off will be named "Gangsters".

Gameplay
Gangsters will use the basic formula of Mafia, but will also be an experimental ground for the original Mafia game.

ISSUE 1) Player admission:
A) Separate games for veterans and new players
B) Free-for-all
C) Other

ISSUE 2) Storyline:
A) Same/similar to Mafia
B) Different
C) Flexible (GM's call)

ISSUE 3) Coordination with the Mafia game:
A) Run Gangsters "simultaneously" with Mafia
B) Allow different run-times by having "dead" players cross over

ISSUE 4) Gangsters' identities:
A) Appointed gangsters know of each other that they are the gangsters
B) Appointed gangsters DO NOT know of each other that they are the gangsters


Rules
- A player may not simultaneously play Mafia and Gangsters.

ISSUE 5) Turn structure:
A) Mafia-style (24 hours; flexible weekend)
B) 48 hours
C) Other

ISSUE 6) Killing style:
A) If there is only one Gangster, then s/he must leave some kind of clue as a signature
B) No/Other

ISSUE 7) Voting procedure:
A) Same as Mafia
B) Closed ballot


Discussion
OK, if this are all the issues that we need to discuss, then we can discuss/vote for them now.

Personally, these are my preferences:
1) B: a free-for-all structure will give the player pools a nice shuffle.
2) C: I believe that a GM must do what s/he feels comfortable with, so should not be forced to (not) follow a certain storyline.
3) B: again this is to keep the player pool different, and keep the games continuous.
4) B: the accidental killing is part of the fun-factor IMO, and others have given good arguments against it in this thread.
5) A: 24H should be enough, there won't be any punitive measures if you miss a round (now and then) anyway.
6) B: I think this should be consideration the GM and the Gangster can make together.
7) B: yes, this is the perfect opportunity to test this.

[I added an elaboration for my choices.]

[joncha]

Thanks Zopperoni.

Now that I'm dead in the other game, I vote we start now.

1) B (but people who could not get into the A game get first dibs)
2) C
3) B
4) A (but we need some way to prevent/limit betrayal)
5) A
6) B
7) B (I like open ballots, but let's give secret balloting a try)

edit: I changed my vote on #2 because of the new option.

[Jamski]

1) B
2) B
3) B
4) B
5) A
6) A
7) A

-Jam

[Japher]

Definitly different storylines, but with room for crossovers!!!

[Zopperoni]

I added a C-option to ISSUE 2) and elaborated on my choices.

[gjramsey]

1) B
2) C
3) B
4) A (The accidental killing of the other is fun, but knowing the other will give the gangster's a better chance of winning)
5) A
6) B
7) B (open ballot is fun, trying to save yourself if there is a pile in progress, but a closed ballot will make an interesting change to the process)
7)

[Anita Blake]

1)B
2)C - I agree with the idea that this game would be a good way to try out different things. If it doesn't work, then it won't mess up anything with the original game.
3)B
4)B
5)A
6)A
7)B

[Skanky Burns]

1) B
2) C
3) B
4) B
5) A
6) A
7) B (May as well try different rules)

[Ljube]

1) B
2) C
3) B
4) B
5) A
6) A
7) I prefer A, but maybe we should try B just to see how it goes.

[Theben]

1. B
2. C
3. A
4. B
5. A
6. B
7. B

[Tassadar500]

1. B
2. C
3. B
4. B
5. A
6. A
7. B

[Trokair]

1.B
2.C
3.B
4.B
5.A
6.A
7.B

[Theben]

B minus?

[Kassiopeia]

1. B
2. C
3. B
4. B
5. A
6. B - Leave it to the GM and the Gangster to decide.
7. B

[Zopperoni]

Current vote tally

ISSUE 1) Player admission:
A) Separate games for veterans and new players - [0]
B) Free-for-all - [11]
C) Other - [0]

ISSUE 2) Storyline:
A) Same/similar to Mafia - [0]
B) Different - [2]
C) Flexible (GM's call) - [10]

ISSUE 3) Coordination with the Mafia game:
A) Run Gangsters "simultaneously" with Mafia - [1]
B) Allow different run-times by having "dead" players cross over - [11]

ISSUE 4) Gangsters' identities:
A) Appointed gangsters know of each other that they are the gangsters - [2]
B) Appointed gangsters DO NOT know of each other that they are the gangsters - [9]

ISSUE 5) Turn structure:
A) Mafia-style (24 hours; flexible weekend) - [11]
B) 48 hours - [0]
C) Other - [0]

ISSUE 6) Killing style:
A) If there is only one Gangster, then s/he must leave some kind of clue as a signature - [6]
B) No/Other - [5]

ISSUE 7) Voting procedure:
A) Same as Mafia - [1]
B) Closed ballot - [10]



So far, the direction is clear for all issues except ISSUE 6)