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**HuangShang** · April 28, 2007, 18:45

i think except for the drug store, it would make sense that max city size is spread out over all the overcrowding buildings

[EDIT] actually giving the drug store increase max city might make more sense and shorten the forever thats between aqueduct and arcology

an alternative is separating overcrowding and max pop, such as bringing in the sewer before the drug store[/EDIT]

i m kinda confused by the happiness and and production paths. It seems nothing requires the mill, and then both happiness and production are along to linear paths right?

**Maquiladora** · April 28, 2007, 21:11

Originally posted by HuangShang
i think except for the drug store, it would make sense that max city size is spread out over all the overcrowding buildings

I agree raising maxpop should be spread out. If it only requires two buildings to grow 40+ then it makes it a lot easier for the non-builder civs. It should require lots of building investment to grow that big. Not simply public works and two buildings.

an alternative is separating overcrowding and max pop, such as bringing in the sewer before the drug store

Well I don't think we need to add any buildings here. Although "Drug Store" and "Hospital" don't exactly fit in increasing the capacity of a city. How about the "Food Silo"?

Overcrowding/MaxPop overcrowd/maxpop cost upkeep
aqueduct +6 +14 875 4up = 146/63
food silo / +8 1200 4up = -/300
drug store +4 / 1400 5up = 350/-
hospital +8 / 2375 8up = 297/-
arcologies +8 +10 5000 12up = 625/500
incubation center +12 / 5500 15up = 458/-
aqua filter +6 +10 8000 18up = 1333/800
body exchange +12 / 7500 15up = 625/-

This removes 4 maxpop from each Acrologies and Aqua Filter, and gives it to Food Silo. This also keeps the value increasing at a similar rate. I've also kept the same total pop as it is for now, until we test it.

i m kinda confused by the happiness and and production paths. It seems nothing requires the mill, and then both happiness and production are along to linear paths right?

Not totally, these are the requirements(with the last requiring all the previous in order):

Shrine > Basilica
Arena > Movie Palace > VR Amusement Park

Oil Refinery > Nuclear Plant > Fusion Plant
Factory > Robotic Plant > Nanite Factory

Aqueduct > Arcologies > Aqua Filter
Drug Store > Hospital > Incubation Center > Body Exchange

Academy > University > Publ. House > Comp. Cen. > Orb. Lab.

Granary > Food Silo > Cornucopic Vat

Bazaar > Bank > Airport (?)
Bazaar > Bank > Brokerage > E-Bank (?)

Public Transport > Eco Transit
Recycling Plant > Matter Decompiler

City Walls > Forcefield (?)

Courthouse > Correctional Facility > Behavioral Mod Center (?)
Courthouse > Correctional Facility > Security Monitor (?)

First Airport seems weird. Airport is an important building, and you need those 2 beforehand? Seems totally unconnected.

Second Brokerage seems to be in a strange place. 10 Brokerages allows the +10% gold for 20 turns feat, so it shouldn't be hidden in these other buildings, where smaller more scientific civs can't attempt it.

Third Forcefield shouldn't require city walls. Not that it would make much difference. You could easily build a city wall in 1 turn when you've got Forcefields, but still it's silly.

I think the last one with the crime buildings is meant to represent a choice. You get Security Monitor a lot sooner than BMC, and it gives the same benefit as BMC, but with -3 happiness. But noone is going to build the Security Monitor. What if it gave -1 happiness instead? It might benefit enough from the reduced crime to offset the unhappiness caused.

**Ekmek** · April 29, 2007, 00:34

good stuff guys! check out the repository to see all the flags available and let me know if there is something w should have thats missing (especially if it appeared iv civ2,3, or 4)

**HuangShang** · April 29, 2007, 05:25

Originally posted by Maquiladora
How about the "Food Silo"?

Overcrowding/MaxPop overcrowd/maxpop cost upkeep
aqueduct +6 +14 875 4up = 146/63
food silo / +8 1200 4up = -/300
drug store +4 / 1400 5up = 350/-
hospital +8 / 2375 8up = 297/-
arcologies +8 +10 5000 12up = 625/500
incubation center +12 / 5500 15up = 458/-
aqua filter +6 +10 8000 18up = 1333/800
body exchange +12 / 7500 15up = 625/-

This removes 4 maxpop from each Acrologies and Aqua Filter, and gives it to Food Silo. This also keeps the value increasing at a similar rate. I've also kept the same total pop as it is for now, until we test it.

genius!

I agree security monitor is too weak, but maybe it can be more of an trade off, like -40% crime or -2 happiness. It will be better than everything short of zero crime bill but needs some consideration. The most effective anti crime is in big cities, which may be afraid of lower happiness due to pollution, or may not care about happiness at all because it has better happiness than less happy cities, at which point it has excess happiness. The question in game balance is whether 30% crime is as big an impact as 1 or 2 happiness. But in game, the only question is if I have excess happiness, and I can often manage 3 excess happiness (two book wonders = maxed sliders).

Airport is effectively just a gold building, so it requires all other gold buildings first i guess. I don't build them because pollution is one of the hardest things to counter, yet almost all real life cities have one.

On requirements, I think it just prevents building "backwards," ie. building expensive better buildings before or in place of the outdated buildings. I think I remember from somewhere that a solution to this can be making buildings obsolete, such that after some advance in the future, an outdated building cannot be built and is no longer a requirement. Of course if older cities that built it did not suffer losing its effects then we created an advantage for "historic" cities. Just a thought.

Final comment has to be that later on governments get better and cost effectively go down a step.

**Maquiladora** · April 29, 2007, 08:30

Originally posted by E
good stuff guys! check out the repository to see all the flags available and let me know if there is something w should have thats missing (especially if it appeared iv civ2,3, or 4)

Well you already know about my request for specific type veteran-producing buildings

I'll throw out a few other favourites:

(wonders.txt) Free auto-upgrades for all units that are obsolete or become obsolete (Leonardo's Workshop civ2)

(wonders.txt) Ships can move across deep without risk of sinking (Lighthouse civ2). This is only if/when we use chance of sinking for Coracles/Triremes.

(buildings.txt) City Walls/Forcefield give extra Armour not just extra defence. Ballista Towers/Flak Towers/Battlements give extra Firepower not just extra attack.

(buildings.txt/wonders.txt) Free X number of specialists farmers/labourers/merchants, like how Galileo's Telescope already works with free scientists.

**Maquiladora** · April 29, 2007, 08:59

Originally posted by HuangShang

The question in game balance is whether 30% crime is as big an impact as 1 or 2 happiness.

That's why I only put -1 happiness because i'm still not sure there. I'll investigate further under the right circumstances, but my feeling ATM is overall, -2 happiness is worse than -40% crime.

Airport is effectively just a gold building, so it requires all other gold buildings first i guess. I don't build them because pollution is one of the hardest things to counter, yet almost all real life cities have one.

Hmm I just tested it and the Airport didn't give any extra pollution, despite what it says in the Great Library?

It still doesn't sit with the other gold buildings though IMO. It should have extra functions really, like "airlift" one unit to other airport cities, or build veteran aircraft, or only airport cities/airbases can refuel air units. I guess it really doesn't matter at the moment though.

On requirements, I think it just prevents building "backwards," ie. building expensive better buildings before or in place of the outdated buildings. I think I remember from somewhere that a solution to this can be making buildings obsolete, such that after some advance in the future, an outdated building cannot be built and is no longer a requirement. Of course if older cities that built it did not suffer losing its effects then we created an advantage for "historic" cities. Just a thought.

Well the deterrent for building backwards is that earlier buildings are more cost effective anyway, as they should be.

On obsoleting buildings, it's possible, but the benefit would have to become obsolete aswell, and that might be annoying, like the obsoleting "buildingeverywhere" wonders.

Overall i think most of the requirements are in a good order anyway, it's just a few that look out of place.

Final comment has to be that later on governments get better and cost effectively go down a step.

What do you mean?

**HuangShang** · April 29, 2007, 17:35

I mean that later in time, buildings in general are quicker to build under a better government. Thus, having to build all predecessor buildings isn't like having to (spend the time to) live through history again.

**Ekmek** · May 3, 2007, 16:24

Here's the building flags

Code:

#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#  Project      : Call To Power 2
#  File type    : dbgen input
#  Description  : Building type descriptor
#  Id           : $Id:$
#
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#  Disclaimer
# 
#  THIS FILE IS NOT GENERATED OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION.
#
#  This material has been developed at apolyton.net by the Apolyton CtP2 
#  Source Code Project. Contact the authors at [email]ctp2source@apolyton.net[/email].
#
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
#  Modifications from the original Activision code:
#
#  - CultureOnly          : Building can only be built if city's citystyle is matched (E)
#  - CityStyleOnly        : Building can only be built in cities with the city style in the list (E)
#  - GovernmentType       : Building can only be built with the right government (E)
#  - NeedsCityGood :      : Building requires a good to be built (E)
#  - NeedsCityGoodAll     : Building requires all goods in the list to be built (E)
#  - NeedsCityGoodAnyCity : Building requires good owned in any city of the empire (E)
#  - EnablesGood          : Building gives good to city (E)
#  - OnePerCiv            : Just one building allowed per civ works like Small Wonders - (E 2-14-2006)
#  - GoldPerCity          : Gold cost per number of cities (E)
#  - GoldPerUnit          : adds this (E)
#  - GoldPerUnitReadiness : adds amount times number of units times readiness modifier (E)
#  - SquaredBorderRadius  : increases city radius (E 2-28-2006)
#  - IntBorderRadius      : Increases city radius (E 2-28-2006)
#  - CivilisationOnly     : Building can only be built in the given civilisations (E)
#  - NeedsFeatToBuild     : Building can only be built with the right feat (E)
#  - TreasuryInterest     : Based on stored gold
#  - ExcludedByWonder	  : Prevents bldgs being built in cities with wonder
#  - PrerequisiteWonder   : Needs bldgs in city to be built
#
#-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Building {
	# stuff every building has
	Record Icon                 DefaultIcon
	StringId                    Description
	Record Advance              EnableAdvance
	Record Advance[0..5]        ObsoleteAdvance
	Record Building[]           PrerequisiteBuilding
	Record Government[]         GovernmentsModified
	Record CityStyle[]          CultureOnly              // Added by E -- can only build buildings if civ has certain citystyle
	Record CityStyle[]          CityStyleOnly            // Added by E--can only build buildings at cities with certain citystyle 
	Record Government[]         GovernmentType           // Added by E --- a copy of unit Government type code
	Record Resource[]           NeedsCityGood            // By E must have good in radius of city or buying resource to build 
	Record Resource[]           NeedsCityGoodAll         // By E a city must have all resource to build building
	Record Resource[]           NeedsCityGoodAnyCity     // Implemented by E
	Record Resource[]           EnablesGood              // Added by E -- having a bldg gives a city a good
	Record Civilisation[]       CivilisationOnly 
	Record Feat[]               NeedsFeatToBuild         // Implemented by E
	Record Building[]           ConflictsWithBuilding    // FU for SectarianHappiness
	Record Building[]           ExcludedByBuilding       // CantBuild if have this building
	Record Government[]         ExcludedByGovernmentType // Destroyed if not of this government
	Record Wonder[]             PrerequisiteWonder       // Added by E to limit units to cities with certain wonders
	Record Wonder[]             ExcludedByWonder         // To prevent some units being built
	Bit(Int)                    NeedsPopCountToBuild     // Added by E
	Bit(Int)                    PopCountBuildLimit       // Added by E

	Record Resource[]           RequiresGood             // Added by E -- having a bldg gives a city a good
	Record Resource[]           ProducesGood             // Added by E -- having a bldg gives a city a good
	Bit(Int)                    SquaredBorderRadius      // added by E
	Bit(Int)                    IntBorderRadius          // added by E
	Record TerrainImprovement[] ShowOnMap                // FU
	Record TerrainImprovement[] ShowOnMapRadius          // FU
	Bit(Record MapIcon)			ShowCityIcon			 // Like show on map but put on city?
	Bit(Record MapIcon)			IsReligionIcon			 // Displays city religion icon

    Bit(Float)                  TreasuryInterest         // percent of your treasury goes to city
    Bit                         CantSell                 // Some Buildings Cant Be Sold
    Bit(Int)                    DisbandsCitySettlerNum   //
    Bit                         CreatesMiltiaUnit        // EMOD for militia code 10-05-2006
    Record Building[]           ActualBuildingEverywhere // FU


	Int ProductionCost
	Int Upkeep
	Bit(Int)   GoldPerCity                 // Add/subtract gold based on player's number of cities by E
	Bit(Int)   GoldPerUnit                 // Add/subtract gold based on player's number of units by E 
	Bit(Int)   GoldPerUnitSupport          // coefficient applied to gold hunger, readiness, and govt coefficient
	Bit(Int)   GoldPerUnitReadiness        // Add/subtract gold based on player's number of units multiplied by readiness level by E
	Bit(Int)   UpkeepPerUnit               // added by E 
	Bit(Int)   UpkeepPerUnitWagesReadiness // added by E 
	Bit(Int)   UpkeepPerCity               // added by E 
	Bit(Int)   UpkeepPerCitySq             // added by E
	Bit(Int)   NewPopLimit                 // added by E
	Bit(Int)   UpkeepPerUnitSupport
	Bit        ProductionCostPopModifier   //added by E multiples productioncost to the population size. Its harder to modernize an old, crowded city

	# flags
	Bit        Capitol
	Bit(Float) DefendersPercent
	Bit(Int)   HappyInc
	Bit        DoubleTelevangelists
	Bit(Float) ProductionPercent
	Bit(Float) FoodPercent
	Bit(Float) CommercePercent
	Bit(Float) SciencePercent
	Bit(Int)   IncreaseBaseOvercrowding
	Bit(Int)   IncreaseMaxPopulation
	Bit(Float) FoodVat
	Bit        Airport
	Bit        NoUnhappyPeople
	Bit        NoRushBuyPenalty
	Bit(Float) LowerCrime
	Bit(Float) PreventConversion
	Bit(Float) PreventSlavery
	Bit        AllowGrunts
	Bit(Float) LowerPeaceMovement
	Bit(Int)   GoldPerCitizen
	Bit        ProtectFromNukes
	Bit(Float) ProtectFromBioAgents
	Bit(Float) ProtectFromNanoVirus
	Bit        Television
	Bit        CityWalls
	Bit        IsReligious
	Bit        ForceField
	Bit        CantBuildInSea
	Bit        CantBuildOnLand
	Bit        Cathedral
	Bit        Brokerage
	Bit        NuclearPlant
	Bit(Float) SciencePerPop
	Bit(Int)   RaiseOvercrowdingLevel
	Bit(Int)   RaiseMaxPopulation
	Bit(Int)   StarvationProtection
	Bit        EmbassiesEverywhereEvenAtWar

	Bit        CoastalBuilding            // DW - Added to fix bug #895
	Bit        OnePerCiv                  // EMOD implement 2-14-2006
	Bit(Int)   IncreaseHP                 // EMOD - increase HP of all current units
	Bit        EnablesVeterans            // EMOD - makes units veterans 

	Struct BuildingFeat {                 // From feats implemented by E 2-24-2006
		Record Building Building
		Bit(Int) Num
		Bit(Int) PercentCities
	}

	Bit(struct BuildingFeat) BuildingFeat // From feats implemented by E 2-24-2006

	Bit(Float) OffenseBonusLand
	Bit(Float) OffenseBonusWater
	Bit(Float) OffenseBonusAir

	Bit(Float) PopulationPollutionPercent
	Bit(Float) ProductionPollutionPercent
	Bit(Float) PollutionAmount

	Bit(File) ShowAsIcon            // tiledraw icon file?

	#Energy Code
	Bit(Int)   EnergyHunger 
	Bit(Int)   ProducesEnergy
	Bit(Int)   EnergyHungerPerPop
	Bit(Int)   ProducesEnergyPerPop 

	Bit GLHidden
}

**Maquiladora** · May 18, 2007, 19:51

It's interesting some of the slight differences in the CtP1 buildings.

Apolyton Civilization Site

http://apolyton.net/ctp/features/cityimprovementsref.shtml

For example city wall gives 100% protection against slaves, makes city wall MUCH more useful. I think I would always build city wall if it gave full protection. Not to mention the AI builds them frequently.

Cathedral, gives different happiness bonuses under different governments. This is an excellent idea. Better Mills under Communism, better TV under Democracy etc.

**HuangShang** · May 19, 2007, 18:10

i really like how the nuclear and fusion plants give production and reduces pollution. we should make ours reduces population pollution (because of less polluting mainstream electricity)

wierd how eco transit can give -200% pollution

**Maquiladora** · May 20, 2007, 02:13

It's strange as the CtP2 Great Library says the Nuclear Plant produces pollution, unless the "NuclearPlant" flag in buildings.txt does more than give a chance of meltdown. I've personally never experienced a meltdown though. Maybe one of the coders can look to see how that works.

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