CTP= good or bad ?

[Big Dave]

Don't bother replying to Horsey, he's just here trolling for attention.

And DarthVeda will go away when things pick up in the Civ3 forum.

Either that or they're both the same person. Either way, just ignore him.

Big Dave

[Steve Clark]

Big Dave, your response is no more enlightened then theirs. Just because a game is being played by a number of people does NOT mean it's any good. Witness the 1,000,000+ copies sold of the Deer Hunter games (nearly all very low rated). You have to remember that alot of gamers here have and are still playing Civ2. CtP was an incomplete product and of inferior design. I mean, how many titles do you know where gamers had to create mod packs (or the like) just to play the game out of the box? I'm not talking about patches, I'm refering to changing design aspects to make it playable. No, people saying that CtP is bad do have very valid arguments.

[Big Dave]

Steve, if you've been following these forums for any length of time you would already know that I have a number of complaints about CTP, not the least of which is that they didn't finish the game. Not just polish it, but get it out of beta.

My gripes with AH and Veda are that they are no more than a couple of trolls screaming "CTP stinks!" every chance they get. No constructive criticism, no "I don't like this feature", just whine and complain and try to start flame wars.

Big Dave

[Steve Clark]

Fair enough, I agree (see my response in CtP2-General under '...objectionable').

[Alexander's Horse]

Pay no attention to little dave. he's like the person who buys a dud car and thinks he has to keep driving it to get his money's worth.

[Big Dave]

Pathetic flames and lame trolling are the best you can do Horsey? Come now, display the rapier wit you are so famous for. Come, come. You call that a personal attack? I've seen better from toddlers!

Come, Sir Coward, the anonymity of the Internet protects you, strike again, I say!

[WesW]

I would look at *who* is playing the game, rather than just how many people are, and *why* they are playing the game. The guys I have worked with on the Med mods are all civ-series veterans who are very familiar with most of the Microprose games, and have years of playing experience. I received a note last week complimenting me on the Civ2 mod I sent in to Apolyton a couple of years ago.
Anyway, if a bunch of people with extensive civ experience believe the game is better than the others, and spend a lot of time making mods for it, than I would probably pluck down $20 to try it out at least. (Just remember to try the Med pack before you give up on the game.)

[Alexander's Horse]

Hi Wes I was going to ask dave where you were, but now you're here. Hope you're feeling better.

Dave, you always start the flaming. On this occasion I'm not going to stoop to your level.

[MarkG]

meanwhile, other people are still playing ctp WITHOUT any mods...

[Big Dave]

quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse on 05-15-2000 08:46 PM Pay no attention to little dave. he's like the person who buys a dud car and thinks he has to keep driving it to get his money's worth.

Have you even read anything else I've posted? Do you even know when the last time I played CTP was, oh all-knowing Horse?

And are you truly so mentally handicapped you don't even realize when you've made a feeble attempt to start a flame war? I think not. Stoop to my level? You only wish you could reach such heights!

If you have nothing better to do that post "CTP stinks" do it somewhere else. In another thread that was over 100 posts long you made exactly 3 posts stating in specific what you didn't like about CTP. When other posters attempted to address these issues you went back to flaming.

That coupled with your little barb at the end of your "Are CTP players younger" thread has left you with no credibility whatsoever.

So I say, flame on, Sir Gadfly, and don't whine when you have received the full measure of what you have asked for.
Sincerly,

Big Dave

[Steve Clark]

I wasn't going to come back in but I think a point needs to be made. AH did bring up a good analogy about the dud car. It is human nature to try to justify value of a purchase, regardless if the product is good or bad. This is true for gamers in the amount of effort that can be invested, not only in playing the game, but in the anticipation of it. CtP certainly falls in the anticipation idea since it follows very successful titles. Since a number of civers really wanted to improve upon Civ2 (hard to do, imo), they really wanted CtP to work. And reviewing a number of posts here, they still do. I am biased in that I think Civ2 is the ONLY good civ title (didn't play Civ1) for in the Strategy forum, we are still coming up with new challenges and new ideas, without any modpacks.

[Big Dave]

I haven't played CTP since it became apparant that Activision wasn't going to fix it. And if I feel something is a bad value I'll tell others, but I'll tell them WHY it's a bad value. I activly discourage people from purchasing CTP because the game is not finished, I encourage people to not buy CTP2 until it's been out for 6 months and we can all see if Activision is going to correct their previous mistakes or just try to soak us for more cash. What more do you want from me?

But I have had enough of certain pinheads performing their visceral mantra as if it means something. Either add something useful to the thread or prepare to get flamed. (Not directed at you, Steven)

And if you have any questions about who AH is, well just search a little. You'll see he has a reputation on this board already if you look here. Even Markos had something nice to say.
[This message has been edited by Big Dave (edited May 16, 2000).]

[BigHead]

I'm the 'almost-fifty' guy playin' CTP who finds it much more engaging than CivII...but I have no cents as I was gifted the game by my daughter 'cause she was hooked on AC...duh.

When I first started to play CTP I found many things annoying (unit movement, for one) beside my shallow learning curve with new games and their cryptic interfaces...I learned about the Apolyton site and stepped up to the kool freshness of mods (huzza)...later I found Deiter's way-out civilogue on slavery and deity domination, and all the other forum brigades here abouts.

CTP is in many ways a better game because of all the inputs it has received...it has been fortuitous, imo, that Activision lamed CTP to market...expectations were high and the tar baby caught us all, the hugh and tumult has made for at least more interesting forums...

hell, (bad word) even the long-standing shriekers are still shuffling about, posting their phlegm (apparently imflammible to some)

this is just another fine mess...no, really

I'm glad none of you can overturn the board when you get real upset!

[Dani]

CTP is the best Computer Game I ever played. No other game followed me in my dreams. I love it and I hope that the sequel comes for Mac Users at the same time as for Windows Users.

[Alexander's Horse]

quote: Originally posted by Dani on 05-20-2000 09:02 PM CTP is the best Computer Game I ever played.

(a Mac user - poor schmuck doesn't get to play many games)