CTP: The Best Civ, or TBS, Game Ever?

[Nordicus]

No, that was NHL 99.
Hey, thanks for your comments.

[Dreigor]

1. Was CTP the greatest Civ game?

If you want talk about this in terms of options, what you can do etc, I would say Yes.

Is it the greatest Civ game in terms of pure enjoyment for me? No - the original Civ is the winner by far on that account

2. Is it the greatest TBS game ever?

I haven't played enough of the other TBS games out there, so I decline to comment on this.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Civ2 had the same problem with wandering, for example

Nordicus, perhaps no one has told you this, but SMAC has borders! Other untils wandering into your territory is gone! SMAC also has 3d terrain (once you play it, you'll never want to go back to boring 2d terrain), which directly impacts gameplay (with rainfall for farmland and hight for energy). SMAC also has a wonderful diplomatic model, with exchange of cities. Also the Social Engineering model is amazing! You basically pick your government, economy, value and future model as you gain tech for them. You have to make choices between (for example) a Democratic, Free-Market, Power-based, Eudimonia future society, vs. a Police-State, Planned Economy, Green-based, Mind-Control future society. Added to a great story (and actual story!), and SMAC is amazing. Try it out!

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Imran Siddiqui
Vice-Moderator of the OT Apolyton,
Industrialist/Oppressor of PROT!,
God of Earth and any other useless planets.

[Nordicus]

Imran:
What are you doin in here? Go back to OT where you belong
Seriously, though, I don't know what you mean by "3-D" terrain. CTP has 3-dimensional terrain. From looking at the box of SMAC in the computer store last time (and that was enough), it looked horribly, terribly, like Civ2. The units looked like the same cardboard cut-out Civ2 units too! Couldn't tell what the hell half of them were without squinting for an hour at em.

(with rainfall for farmland and hight for energy). SMAC also has a wonderful diplomatic model, with exchange of cities.

While the rainfall is news to me but sounds interesting, this celestial diplomacy I keep hearing about seems to be the only saving grace of the game, the only thing to which people cling--this and the sci-fi atmousphere I have heard about--otherwise, it'd be, IMHO, another TOT.

However, I must refrain from trashing the game, never having played it, and I'm certainly not going to try to insult people who play it--the above are only my opinions. I have two friends who cannot fathom why insist on playing CTP when I have "much better" games lying around...and that's just it--I think CTP is much better than those games. They obviously don't.

Added to a great story (and actual story!), and SMAC is amazing. Try it out!

But, Imran, then I'd be one of those people who played SMAC!
Seriously, that would be fair, yet it would be comparable to me going back to my Playstation. Progress, buddy! If you drive a 1998 Nissan, do you park it and buy a 1979 Datsun!?
Okay, a little sarcastic there, but the point is: I probably won't try it for the same reason I no longer play Civ2...it's old, irritating, and I like CTP now. Civ2 (which I played on my Sony Playstation) was a great game, IMO--I played it for months and months, and was quite addicted to it...and the same for the original Civ (which I played on SNES). But I don't play Super Nintendo any longer, and I very rarely take out the Playstation now. Paradoxically, I like Earth-bound games, and I'm not a big fan of space stuff (unless its AvP).


Anyway, enough rambling. Thanks for the comments (BTW, have you ever played CTP?).

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[Nordicus]

Dreigor:
Hey, thanks for the comments

[WesW]

We used to have a 1979 Datsun! Mom got it during the oil crisis. It was like a red tin can. I can still picture that thing.

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[Thall]

Seriously, though, I don't know what you mean by "3-D" terrain. CTP has 3-dimensional terrain.

Does it? I could swear that it has 2D terrain, merely painted to look as though it's 3D. SMAC certainly does have 3D terrain, and this has been said to be one of the things it has over CTP (I know it's only a minor thing, but still).
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[Nordicus]

Wes:

You too! Gawd, my mom also had one--it was white, and an 80. My dad had a 79 little Datsun truck--not for long: it started rusting ("Damn, Jap crap!" he'd grumble) and breaking down.


Thall:
I meant 3D-looking.

SMAC certainly does have 3D terrain...

(Sarcasm alert....)
Oh, so each tile actually has a frame onto which textures and colors have been placed? Holy cow, that sounds pretty extravegant for just terrain...aren't the units done in the same way? Or are they just sprites?

[utopia]

Well, I've only played CIV II and CTP but I'd say that Civ CTP is definately better. I think there were a good amount of improvements from CIV II to CTP and the graphics have certainly improved. Some of the best things I like about CTP that wasn't in CIV II are undersea cities, space cities, and public works. Also there are more government types to choose from in CTP.

[Spod]

I LOVE CTP.

[Spod]

I LOVE CTP.


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SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd

[WilliamD]

I have played Civ since it first came out. I'm not an excellent player, just played for fun to unwind after work. I think CTP is great. I put it up only a few days after buying it because I could not get used to the interface and some people realy trashed it on their forum posts, but after reading about how other people learned to like it after giving it a longer try, I tried again too and this time, stayed at it long enough to get used to it and now like it much better than CivII.

[Nordicus]

Excellent points, Utopia


WilliamD:
Yeah, me too. It took a while. But it grows on you...sorta like moss but good, sweet-smelling, healthy & addictive moss!

Spod:
I had a feeling you were one of us (CTPers)
But that's cheatin when you post twice to get rid of that "junior" business
It doesn't work that way

[Nordicus]

It doesn't work that way
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[Nordicus]

It doesn't work that way
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