Alien Seed - second thread

[dancemasseuse]

turn 149 to thebirdman

Ken

[Gavin the Great]

dancemasseuse, i dont get why you started to get beyond the game and becoming personal.

first of all, you are trying to tell me that im forcing my point of view on others and "asking them to walk away with nothing". and that is not true! just look at my previous posts and youll see that i had my own demands but also asked others for theirs! that is what i meant with ignorant! you act like i only cared bout my own interests and i dont give a damn bout the others saying that my point of view is "the one true"! you dont have to explain me that "others have their point too"! i knew that myself all the time! you think you have to teach a way to talk with others? you say that i start to insult people as soon as they state another opinion than mine, which is total bull****! havent you thought that this might be offending towards me? then dont be surprised that i offend you back saying you are ignorant.

second of all, the thing with gumpold and my "god kill me now" comment etc. well, say that im not trying to settle peace with him! but look what he does, he calls me despotic, im a threat and he thinks he has to "bring order" to my cities. i try to convince him as good as i can that i dont wanna fight! but he doesnt seem to even read my post! thats just starting to piss me off!

and i have never called somebody else on here ignorant or anything like that. i agreed with all players(except gumpold) and everything was fine until you started to play the great guru and preaching me with stuff that was unnecessarry in the first place! ask the others if i offended them and look at the previous post and tell me when was i ever being rude to others and not caring bout their interests? you dont know me too man and still you talk bullsh!t about me like you knew me! my insult was just a response to yours!

im outta this sh!t game! its acctually the worst game ive ever played! a stubborn player who responds with military force to peace offers and another one who tries to make a onesided, greedy and selfish person of me. i tried to have an enjoyable game with you guys but now it turns out that i am "the bad guy" for whatever reason. thx for ruining this game! find someone else to play the a$$hole for you.

[TheBirdMan]

Originally posted by Gavin the Great
dancemasseuse, i dont get why you started to get beyond the game and becoming personal.


second of all, the thing with gumpold and my "god kill me now" comment etc. well, say that im not trying to settle peace with him! but look what he does, he calls me despotic, im a threat and he thinks he has to "bring order" to my cities.

Cool down both - please.

Gumpolds way to comment the situation is "In The Spirit" of the Game" - I have written worse things during some of my games and so have others. That's the way it should be (I could give some links to some of the better, just give me a little time to find them again).

[Paul]

Turn 150 to gumpold

[Gavin the Great]

well i know this is just a game and i tried to play it though gumpolds behavior annoys me but i didnt want to get personal i just stated comments in that role playing manner.

but dancemasseuse thinks he is so wise with his "teachings", and that he has to prove something to me. he makes up bull**** about me without properly reading my posts. like "almost ever response you have given each person who has disagreed with you went beyond negotiations". what is that supposed to mean man? what is "almost every response" and what do you mean with "beyond negotiations"? when? where? gimme some examples man! i absolutely dont get your problem! i was just playing a game and you start to make a big deal of it! you are full of yourself man, you just had to show how important you are making up all this sh!t without thinking first! yes, right now im being "not diplomatic" but thats coz you gave me a reason! and yes, right now i really think that my point is right and yours is wrong! thats coz there are posts that show how i really talked to the others, that is: not rude and tolerant(check it yourself!!!) but you have nothing to back up your point except things you make up. you are throwing sh!t at me that is not even true and you are making problems where none are! think bout your own behavior first before you try to preach others!

[Gavin the Great]

sorry if anyone gets annoyed by this fight but i just have to sort it. Here is an overview of the major events that happened since i joined the game. The main convo between me and the other nations, without the off topic stuff like broken emails or nextings etc. If you dont trust me and think i cut important things out or changed something, compare this to the original posts(starting on page 15).


Gavin: "1265 A.D.
At last the anarchy in Wales is over! The Welsh have finally found a worthy leader! Hail to His Holliness Gavin the Great!"
---(at this point i offered peace treaties to everyone)

gumpold: "Welsh- There can be no peace with Canada until you return the city of Whitehorse and all cities taken from the Romans!"
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Gavin: "We agree on returning Whitehorse to Canada and three roman cities(Gallia Antium, Gallia Asturica and Gallia Argentoratum) to Rome.

However we will not return the rest of the roman cities(Rome, Pompeii, Antium, Caesarea, Agustodonum, Neapolis, Agrippina and Jerusalem) as they have become to important for us. Instead we offer to pay the romans 500 gold for each of those cities, which is a total of 4000 gold. If you, Romans, agree on the peace treaty we will pay you 1500 gold in 5 years(1 turn) and then 50 gold each 5 years until the total amount is paid (in maximum 50 turns from now).

We also wish to make peace with the Assyrians and Native Americans. Tell us your demands and we will try to fulfill them."
---(4000 gold man! you say that is nothing? you still say that i took the cities without offering anything for it? and if youre gonna say "but you said yourself that one city is more worth than 500 gold!" true, but that was the most i could afford at that moment and it was just a starting offer, the birdman had the right to demand more which i would not question! i would not be rude just keep NEGOTIATING!)

Maq: "Give me your map and disband all your non-basic garrison military units and ill make peace too. (Im the Assyrians)"
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Gavin: "Agreed. You will receive the maps together with the peace treaty and all special military units will be disbanded.

has the birdman played his last turn(145) or has he been nexted? my peace treaty has been rejected by the romans but im not sure if it was an intended or automatic rejection! canadians, please do not attack until the romans have stated their decision!

Assyrians: we thank you for accepting the peace treaty and we hope the future will be free of conflicts!

still waiting for a response from the native americans."
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dancemasseuse: "I am sorry about not reading the thread for the peace treaty stuff. I will do whatever the Romans agree to. I am in an alliance with him and was aiding him in retaking lost cities. I did not see the offers before my turn so I did execute 3 attacks I had in the plans."


(cut at this spot: "i did not see the offers" - no comment)


"If you make peace with my brothers, the romans, I will leave the cite and let you retake it. the other one I have already disbanded, but if you have a slaver around I will leave the settler and let you slave him. and I will leave from you shores as long as the Romans (thebirdman) agrees to peace with you. If not then I will do as he wishes. he was the injured party and if he settles, I will follow. "
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The Birdman: "It was not an automatic rejection.

To settle for a peace I demand all the Gallia-region back and all "native" Roman cities to have their names changed to some "unspeakable babarian names"."
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Gavin: "alright romans, the gallia region is yours and all taken cities will be renamed.

native americans, we want you to give Caerphilly back to the welsh and pay 500 gold for the disbanded city of Augustodonum."
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dancemasseuse: "I will give back the taken city, but I will not pay for a city I disbanded during war. It started out as a city belonging to my ally the Romans (notice the name of the city is Roman, not Welsh), but since we were at a war not of our choosing I will not pay for it. If that is not acceptable then I am sorry, but again it was a city of conquest not one of yours in the first place. I do not mean to sound so hard, but I find it unreasonable to ask me to pay for something that you took from my ally.

I took your "Peace", accepted your "no trespass", moved out of the one city Caerphilly, and left your area. The rest is up to the Welsh. "
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i thought it was strange that you offer to give me a settler but at the same time dont wanna pay 500 gold which i thought was less worth than a settler and thus more beneficial for you. but since you didnt agree i decided to simply leave that behind and not bother with forcing something out of you. the only thing i added was my explanation that i thought 500 gold is less worth than a settler(all backed up) and thus i didnt try to force more out of you but wanted a smaller exchange for the disbanded city! then you said that a settler is free for disbanding a city. i replied that the settler wasnt free but the prize for it was the city itself which is a lot more worth than 500 gold. you added nothing more to it....

peace has been established with all nations except canada who kept attacking me ignoring my peace offers. that is the point where we exchanged some hard words but that is part of the game! although it was really annoying to see that the prize for my peace efforts are two captured cities i tried not to get personal but keep an ingame tone. nobody had a problem with our verbal fight which was a part of the game!

thats when you came in saying lies about me for no reason and basically starting all this:

"You also need to remember with some of the comments you have made to other players that they have circumstances like yours too. They changed all their production to military and moved large armies towards your old predecessor. Those armies eat up a lot of production each turn. So just because your the new player and want peace, you need to keep this in mind too. Why should they just take all these units back home, sit them down and eat at their production each turn and then as the game progresses they will become obsolete and maybe disband them to aid the production. Plus why leave you with one of the largest city size empires...."

...and so on...

briefly:
you are saying i dont care bout the interest of other players, insult them and i have no rights to keep the cities(look above: my convo with the birdman)

my response: i AM dissapointed, offended and i think that your point of view is ignorant BECAUSE ---> you make up stuff and dont consider the fact that i acctually had good and polite diplomatic conversations with the others(except with gumpold which was a convo like in hundreds of other strategy games on the net. though i was quite mad it was just a "ruler vs ruler during war time" convo with no personal insults).

then you say that you are oh so offended coz i dare to state my point again which i tried to keep polite but the things you see as offending are a result of your statements(see above) and thus justified. i am not attacking you, i am defending myself against your attack. of course you notice only that i offended you but you dont even think that you might have offended me with your previous post. then you keep going on how rude and selfish i am and you are obviously trying to play the objective and smart guy!

thats the point when im fed up with all the sh!t and getting aggresive coz you are still being ignorant towards my previous actions and still keep telling lies about me. PLUS: you feel confident coz you now have something to back up your opinion that i am rude coz i have said you are ignorant. but guess what or better WHO is the reason that i am being rude? now, PLEASE, state your arguments..... and if you have none except your ussual LIES then better just shut up.

[gumpold]

things seem to be getting kinda personal.

It's RP people! Chill a little.

[dancemasseuse]

no kidding. it is roleplaying. I was trying to get Gavin to see another point of view. Instead I have been accused of "lying" Ignorance, dissapointing and even more. Just stop and quit trying to shout me down. I am sure others here do not want to hear more gripping so I will stop. Please do the same without adding a few barbs at me again. Ken

[dancemasseuse]

now back to the Game....

Oh mighty inheritor of the Welsh empire, I have abandonded the city of Cearphilly for its return to your fold. Know that there are no units in the city. Please go ahead and occupy it at your time schedule and send me a peace treaty again after, so we may once again enjoy peaceful relations.

To the current occupiers of the city known or formerly known as Citric Acid: I will be passing thruogh the straits with a large fleet in the grand return home. Please do no be alarmed and allow us safe passage. I believe it is orange/canadian, but you never know sometimes who may currently occupy it.

Ken/dancemasseuse leader of the native americans

[Gavin the Great]

oh no man, not that fast! you think you can end it quickly by saying that i accused you for nothing and that your attempts to "teach me the way" are totally innocent and justified. "quit trying to shout me down", "back to the game" and nothing ever happened... sure.

"I was trying to get Gavin to see another point of view."

what other point of view? what for? you really think you have to teach me something? you act like i was a little child that has to be told a way to talk with others! i know its roleplaying! i know others have their interests and opinions too and i showed that i know it! so why tell me something that i already know! there was no need to, you just had to show how important you are.

"Instead I have been accused of "lying" Ignorance, dissapointing and even more."

my accusations against you are justified so dont moan:

"almost every response you have given each person who has disagreed with you went beyond "negotiations"" - lie.

"you are asking them to walk away with nothing" - lie.

"Plus why leave you with one of the largest city size empires just because the other guy did it? " - coz i discussed it with the romans and they agreed that i can keep those cities! you didnt notice that. ignorance.

"Again saying I did not see what you just pointed out again" - you admit yourself that you did not see that i disbanded all my special units for the assyrians, though it was no secret and available for everyone to read. you just keep telling me how unaware i am bout the interests of others. ignorance.

and though im not your daddy i have a right to be dissapointed coz i tried to have some fun on here and you just ruined it!

as you see my arguments are stable and backed up by original and complete citates, while you have nothing to counter me except making stuff up and leaving major things out. i just cornered you and you are trying to switch the attention from this discussion back to the game. you have no rational counter arguments so you use the other players as your explanation for the retreat("I am sure others here do not want to hear more gripping so I will stop.") and you try to make me shut up coz you know that i can effectively prove my point("Please do the same without adding a few barbs at me again" and
"Please do not try and give me another lecture on how your point is right and any one who disagrees with you is "ignorant", "dissapointing", or "oh god, kill me now...""). its not that easy man.

"So again just because the points you made again are valid, does not mean the other points are any less valid."

i have never questioned that! but in this case my point is backed up, youre not even trying to back up yours coz theres no way. all you do is trying to get away and moan. of course you can make up sh!t about me without properly reading my posts, you can insult me and think its ok, and my comments(that i just backed up!) are belittling and "not appreciated". sure, i understand you, mr. objective. here's something for you: "you need to know me better before you insult me again."

and as i said im outta this game. at the moment i feel like setting all my cities to produce pikes and send them down your ass. yes, i am mad at the moment but i have a fvcking reason to be mad! sorry for another long post, but i just have to say this coz i wont let some twofaced smartass slam me down for no reason and let him get away with that.

goodbye

[TheBirdMan]

Enough!

[gumpold]

I'm getting Deva Vu from reading these posts.

They seem to say the same thing over and over

[Max Webster]

Gee Gavin your taking this game a little too seriously.

Why don't you just fight. CTP is a fighting game anyway. At least its more fun as fighting game then a building game. I think anyway. As a matter of fact I'm getting kind of bored with this alien seed game myself, why don't one of you guys come on over and we will have a Kung Fu fight with a couple of pikeman.

[Max Webster]

Btw...

Maquiladora has that always been your username?

[Maquiladora]

Yeah, why?