Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[Sprayber]

To be fair with Mellian, he brings up good points. I hope no one thinks this is personal in the least. I know it must seem odd two people arguing about who started a fictional war and I hope everyone sees that it's done in good fun.


As for the plan, I'm sure the Hive especially might be more than disappointed in the turn of events. Poor Yang tried so hard. I

[Mellian]

I had time last night because it is weekend and unlike my last rotation, the comp doesn't crash and the internet is quite reliable, while not located on the second floor near the sleeping rooms, which would wake people up. I also stayed up until 3:30am last night too if there was less argument where i feel compelled to give my two cents about, even if it is for the fun of it, i would of been able to keeep up with the story AND start posting in the story

reason i want TA to become a super-power baseon the definition i gave is because i AM NOTinterested in seeing them be a push over, that TA as no power and so on. Also, TA seem to have the most disadvantages as well, which to me is unfair...and the looseness of TA (will become tighter) is being taken advantage of way to much....and TA/TAF is being ignored as factor too, which is so evident in the beginning and annoys me TAF exist for a reason. oh and people making assumptions as well

I don't plan to push the war longer then i wanted to, but sure depends on what the other factions are going to be. Kerensky is only interested right now in atleast attacking and taking three morganite systems, (ratio wise, loosing one and get three is a fair exchange) which they won't give up as part of negociations, or make any comprimises but a standard don't attack me and i won't attack you treaty. If the morganites and so on can't accept that, then war continues until the Aggressor(s) stop and make peace....TA may even consider asking help on mediating. TAF won't overextend themselves either, so do expect current TA systems to be quite concentrated of ships and defences. Anyway, doesn't make sense for everyone to get involve in this war anyway, bad enough that the Hive is helping because of the Coalition, and the Spartans joining in to help defend the systems being threatened (don't expect all systems to have spartan fleets) I also personally don't want seeing the Protectorate involve as well, just makes a one on one war into a Human wide thing.

Also, i also request chironian players to keep their factions to the minimal when ever the TAF/Coalition friction causes a spark... want to keep it a TA internal thing, and between the TAF and Coalition. Sure Coalition doesn't like being subdued, but TAF will have no choice to take actions against them if they cannot behave or atleast stop in meddling with other factions that counter TA policies.... then we can have bunch of internal problems afterwards

-LMP

[History Guy]

Sprayber-- I do agree!

Mellian-- Right, well I'd like to get out of any argument about a fictional war right about now, thank you.

I'd like to have peace now as much as the other bloke. Both Sprayber and Lonestar have promised that they will, with their government's support, bring some peace here...through one way or another...heheheheheh...

[Mellian]

I read the Datalinks...

Lonestar, don't name the Hferhin world Aiur I was thinking to have the Protoss in the galaxy, 30k lightyears away from Sol.... minus them having the Terran problem

I do notice that you used names from Harry Turtledoves World War books

anyway, quick note of ages of the galaxy.....

Age of the Ancients
-Fraal
-Xel'Naga

Age of Unity


Age of War


Age of Silence


Age of the Old
-Proginators


Age of Peace


Second Age of War


Age of Darkness (present)


-LMP

[Mellian]

Originally posted by History Guy
Sprayber-- I do agree!

Mellian-- Right, well I'd like to get out of any argument about a fictional war right about now, thank you.

I'd like to have peace now as much as the other bloke. Both Sprayber and Lonestar have promised that they will, with their government's support, bring some peace here...through one way or another...heheheheheh...

How in the world did the Protectorate got involved anyway?????? The coming attacks suppose to be a surprise, out of nowhere... not something known from advance and exactly where the targets are. TA isn't a open book darnit and I already said that the TAF will be leading the attacks, and will give the targets to member fleets in the last minute, so spies don't know the targets.

SO, doesn't make sense to have the Protectorate at those systems. Maybe some Spartans, but full fleets of their ships, come on!!! If factions continue to acquire information from godlike sources, and i will stop stating the intentions and plans of TA, atleast in full detail. When TA declares war, it should be like under a month since Capella was taken... so not a lot of time for a lot of things to happen, except short term stuff like the spy stuff Sure the Morganites may possible expect something from the TA, but exactly what No.

Also, not in the idea of whole sale slaughter of TA ships... they will loose enough as it is, and slightly more during the TAF/Coalition spark.

-LMP

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
reason i want TA to become a super-power baseon the definition i gave is because i AM NOTinterested in seeing them be a push over, that TA as no power and so on. Also, TA seem to have the most disadvantages as well, which to me is unfair...and the looseness of TA (will become tighter) is being taken advantage of way to much....and TA/TAF is being ignored as factor too, which is so evident in the beginning and annoys me TAF exist for a reason. oh and people making assumptions as well

Actually the Spartans talked and talked to the TA. But no one was home.

(ratio wise, loosing one and get three is a fair exchange) which they won't give up as part of negociations, or make any comprimises but a standard don't attack me and i won't attack you treaty. If the morganites and so on can't accept that, then war continues until the Aggressor(s) stop and make peace....TA may even consider asking help on mediating.

The Isralies need a PR man, anyone that can convince an enemy that gaining one system and loosing three is fair has to be working in PR or advertising

TAF won't overextend themselves either, so do expect current TA systems to be quite concentrated of ships and defences. Anyway, doesn't make sense for everyone to get involve in this war anyway, bad enough that the Hive is helping because of the Coalition, and the Spartans joining in to help defend the systems being threatened (don't expect all systems to have spartan fleets) I also personally don't want seeing the Protectorate involve as well, just makes a one on one war into a Human wide thing.

The current Spartan plan won't need Spartan ships in every system. That is unless the Terrans really are the aggressors and the Spartans are really the noble party in all of this

Also, i also request chironian players to keep their factions to the minimal when ever the TAF/Coalition friction causes a spark... want to keep it a TA internal thing, and between the TAF and Coalition. Sure Coalition doesn't like being subdued, but TAF will have no choice to take actions against them if they cannot behave or atleast stop in meddling with other factions that counter TA policies.... then we can have bunch of internal problems afterwards

The Spartans will only be too happy to allow Earth to settle it's own problems, as long as those problems remain in Earth territory. I might add that the only the Hive has been involved in fiendish plots to distabilize Earth and the TA. They are sneaky

History Guy: There are alternatives out there, aren't there

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian


How in the world did the Protectorate got involved anyway?????? The coming attacks suppose to be a surprise, out of nowhere... not something known from advance and exactly where the targets are. TA isn't a open book darnit and I already said that the TAF will be leading the attacks, and will give the targets to member fleets in the last minute, so spies don't know the targets.

-LMP

I'm a bit puzzled about the appearence of the Protect. myself. But for the Spartans, the Coperate Sector is a major supplier of Spartan minerals for war production. If we want to get technical about it, the Spartans actually discoved the planets first and requested that the Morganites move in and develope the systems cause at the time Sparta didn't have the resources to exploit them alone. This was mentioned in my original timeline long ago. Over time, they just remained Morganite territory for convience and since they actually did all the development.

edit: The Spartans actually only discovered one of them and the Morganites were responsible for discovering the rest of them.

[Sovereign]

The alliance with the Hive is to counter the Protectorate threat. After all, the Protectorate is a common threat to Hive and University, especially after the Roving incident. University was peacefully exploring systems, posing no threat to anyone. They weren't attacking any systems or ships, and mainly used "first contact" procedures when encountering new aliens or human factions.

When University found the relay station, they were curious to its origins and function, so they hacked into it. They gathered tidbits of information, learning about the existence of the Protectorate, and University doesn't usually share information unless is agreed upon by both "parties".

Then the University explorer was attacked by the Protectorate, in a blatantly hostile manner, and University fired back after it was attacked upon. Therefore the Protectorate was the aggressor in this matter.

So in face of the Protectorate threat, University allies itself with the Hive to ensure both factions's survival. In addition, University was the only faction to help Hive out on Chiron, and University would want to continue beneficial relationships with Hive.

Also, when the time comes to choose sides between Morganites and Hive, it'll be the most agonizing choice for the University since leaving Chiron, as well as being compounded by the robotic civil war.

University won't become involved with the TA - MI war.


By the way, I was wondering if I could open more diplomatic channels with the TA? I mean, I'd like to improve relations with the TA, and perhaps increase trade, technology trading, or whatever? But rest assured University will be like the Scions or Fraal, staying non-interfere in TA affairs.


Phew, hope that helps explain why University allies with the Hive.

[History Guy]

LordMP-- The Protectorate entered in all of the sudden, you'd have to ask Lonestar why he came up on Morgan all the sudden, as I'm not totally sure myself. As for how we now you are coming, our sensors picked you guys up in the area, as a whole battle fleet coming for Samnos doesn't go unnoticed. Our spies have little to do with it. The direction of your ships, and of the advancing Hive ships does. We can identify the origins of the ships as well. Won't be too much slaughter of Terran ships, as I think the Hive is coming in first, and should take much of the damage.

Sprayber-- Thanks, old chap. Alternatives? Well, we two have our own alternatives, heh heh heh...isn't that 'heh heh heh' annoying?

Anyway, yeah, we know what to do when Samnos goes...heh heh heh...there it is again!!

Now, I just did that casino post. It ain't much, and it ain't even that interesting...but it does tell you the Morganite motto!!

[History Guy]

Franky-- Will you be able to do your post today after all?

[Lonestar]

Are you saying that somehow....The Protectorate wouldn't be able to relise a bloody war was going on between the TA and Morgan Industries?

Oh yeah, and as for the Morgan Industries thing, we're just deciding to "Open up" with the most profitable factions. As a prelude to coalition-building against the GHE.


And the University was the aggresor, not the Protectorate!

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Actually the Spartans talked and talked to the TA. But no one was home.

Look now, there really is one thing you people should understand. Sure, I did not write a single post in four weeks, but that did not mean that the TA would not listen. Sure, I made a mistake and forgot to post a response in my last post, but it does not mean that they are ignoring the Spartans. It just means that the writer is, erm, busy and has a bad memory.

[Kassiopeia]

Gack. The joints in my fingers ache. All because of you guys. Not really, playing FFVIII on PSX for eight hours straight might have something to do with it...

Hey, new post!

But, no space battle, not yet.

Like I said, my fingers are burning.

[History Guy]

Kass-- Nice post. So the Terrans aren't really the crummy little piglets we all thought they were!

By the way, my casino post may seem a little odd...but don't worry, it has something to do with the plot!

[Kassiopeia]

With my worn-out, sparkling, crackling and grinding fingers I write these words:

A man is on an island. The island is full of women. The women threaten to kill the man. The man wants a last wish. He gets it. He makes the wish, and *tadaa* he won't get killed.

What's the wish? Damn, this has kept me up for late nights! It's not "he asked a man to kill him", though that is *very* close.