Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[Sprayber]

I would like to address the issue of superpowers. Exactly what do you mean when you say Superpower?

[Lonestar]

Well, the Protectorate is strong, but we ain't no superpower. More like "Try to avoid being noticed and signed alliances that make us indestructible" Power.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Well, the Protectorate is strong, but we ain't no superpower. More like "Try to avoid being noticed and signed alliances that make us indestructible" Power.

I was kind of thinking along the same lines. The only real superpowers are the aliens. Each of the human powers are limited on what they can do and sustain. Sparta is basically dedicated to the military but there is only so much they can do. The best way to deal with a superpower is to keep it from becomming one. Maybe the Protectorate would be interested in making sure Earth isn't one. I know Sparta is.

[Sprayber]

History Guy: Check your PMs

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Sprayber


Maybe the Protectorate would be interested in making sure Earth isn't one. I know Sparta is.

Well, "We" just offered to mediate a end to the conflict...

[Frankychan]

*Yang smiles at the chaos erupting in the discussion thread*




Anyway, it seems that I will have to post my attack on Samnos either later on today, or tomorrow (Saturday). I will not have access to a comp until then.

Sorry!

I hope you people got MY PM's.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by frankychan


*Yang smiles at the chaos erupting in the discussion thread*

Well, just remember that when the Spartans and Morganites throw a wrench into things It will be something to behold

[History Guy]

Cyber-- Well, a Morganite diplomatic ship will hook up with you guys and trade all that tech after you send your signals.

Spray-- You and I, we's a plottin'!

[Mellian]

Mellian, do you think the the Terrans would actually think that the Spartans would just set back as an ally of it's got attacked. I dont' know how Terrans treat their allies, but the Spartans tend to support them. The Chiron factions seem to have one major advantage, thats in that they think more in the long term since they live far longer. The Terrans want everything now while the Chiron factions know that the long term is more important. The Spartans sent three messages informing the Terrans that Sparta would honor it's pacts, any war will be because the Terrans didn't listen. And the Spartans have very long memories.

Sprayber, why do you like to make assumptions? they bad for your health Sure TA expects the Spartans to honor their pact, but it will be the Spartans who are the aggressors because TA hasn't declared war on the Spartans and TA hasn't started the war with the Morganites. (TA vs MI, not InEn vs MI, there is a difference). Also, TAF won't attack any Spartan ships that happen to be in one or two of the systems they will be attacking until the Spartans attack first, and will send comm message to the ships that they are not there for the spartans...officially making the Spartans the aggressors if, and most likely, attack the TA ships. Now, to start up the Coalition and TAF friction, the Coalition ships will be sent to face the Spartans, making the first targets for them....so if the Spartans tries to take advantage of TA's won't attack them policy to get closer before they attack, Coalition ships will go down...and since Kerensky knows the lack of discipline in the COalition Navy compare to the TAF, they will be trigger happy so if Coalition shoots first because the Spartans is starting to get to close, it will be ECSN that will be blamed like i said before, war will not be souly Military, but a Diplomatic one as well.... Kerensky is the master strategist! The Spartans will be the ones in the Bad all the way.... as TA isn't the Aggressor of the War. and seriously doubt the Peacekeepers will support the Spartans SoG will be attacked, as they are MERCENARIES hired by the MORGANITES... so Officially, the Conclave cannot be at fault..... so if KASS declared war on them.... better make it a Coalition Faux Pas.

It doesnt matter what the intentions of the Terrans are when they declare war. When they attack another power with allies, they shouldn't be surprised when those allies declare war.

Stop making assumptions.... and I already said several times before that TA and Kerensky know what to expect of the Spartans...and they taking that to their advantage politicly... especially when TA is only retaliating. TA isn't stupid and STOP assuming so, it is annoying Don't have the time to repeat all of the time. Morganites is the Aggressor, and if the Spartans and Drones help... will officially be considered a Gang Up..... SO, seriously doesn't make sense of the Peacekeepers to be part of the Gang Up when they against such things, unless the one being attacked is the aggressor and/or evil like the Hive that is willing to commit atrocities.

From the Morgan poit of view, they were attacked by a TA member, the TA did nothing about it. Then they were attacked again at a peace confernce by the same TA member, the TA still did nothing So they attacked that TA member only. If the TA had resolved the issue, there would have been no conflict. Did the TA not act in order to start a war, or was it just bad governing on the TA's part?

yes, MORGAN POINT OF VIEW.... and they have no proof that TA didn't do anything...or proof that TA WASN'T in the process to do anything about it... Morganites also didn't give much of a chance for TA to do much about it when they simply decided to go in and attack Callisto. MI chose Military action over Diplomacy...and ended up attacking Coalition and TAF.... Anyway, TA wouldn't look good if they Declared War over the Callisto situation, which as been brought on by InEn and so on... and TA was in the process to deal with InEn, which is why they are going to be Asorbed into the TAF... TA is Declaring War over Morganite Aggression when they took Capella, which had nothing to do with the MI vs InEn issue. SO, if the Spartans attacks TA in the defence of MI under the MI vs InEn incidents, then the Spartans will be in the Bad because TA didn't consider war on the morganites until they took Capella which had nothing to do with the MI vs InEn issues. Before I forget, do remember that the Coalition told InEn to cease fire on the Morganite Courier, and TAF will eventually acquire the knowledge that the Captain also undermined the orders to destroy the Courier.

No one is perfect, but a legit governing body has a responsibility to control it's borders and those entities that operate within its borders. If the TA or EC could not or would not do this, then the Morgans would have to take matters in their own hands. Thats the whole issue. If the TA wants to be recognized as power, then the first step is to control it's people. There never would have been any conflict if that would have happened

There wouldn't be a War if the Morganites didn't take Capella...which TA will be retaliating over. Also, don't remember reading any diplo posts from the Morganites concerning InEn to TA. Also, I did said that TA was a loose alliance of various Sol factions, and it is the first time they had such a problem. Now, Kerensky is making things tighter, so member don't go off doing crazy things that may effect TA without proper consent by the Council. Also, just because a player didn't do any actions to try to fix the problem doesn't mean we can simply assume they weren't doing anything. Events did happen one after the other quite quickly too just to say.

Does the TA expect the Chiron factions to simply trust the TA and take their word for it? The PKs aren't going to attack the TA but don't think they will simply roll over and sing the praises of Earth. The Pks have created their own society quite nicely without any help from the Terrans. They have their own vision of where humanity should be going and it's not necessarly under the banner of the TA. Never did I say that the PKs will attack the TA, I'm just saying don't count too much on the PKs being so anxious in following along. They will do what is good for their interests. And more than anything, that is keeping the peace. After all they are still the Peacekeepers

No, because unlike you, i don't assume TA doesn't expect the PKs to follow them, but don't expect the PKs to be much of a problem either. Now, if PK were to mediate the situation, they wouldn't support the Morganites actions, even if a TA member went awall and try to do their own thing...which kass and I figure out some good reason why they would instigate hostilities....because that problem could of been better resolved via diplomacy and the whole problem became a side note when the Morganites decided to take Capella.

Your still under the assumption that your view of the TA should be shared by all. All of those things may well be true, but you can't expect the Spartans or even the other factions to share the same view.

I Know and I wasn't making that assumption...i wasn't making any assumptions at all. Just debating the matter on what would be the Peacekeepers take and just stating that I doubt the PKs will simply support the Chironians views of the Terrans because the rest of the main chironian factions does. Also, i didn't expect other big chironian factions to simply not consider the serious diplomatic and political effects of the matter...to atleast know that that TA exist and isn't runned by the Coalition, that TAF exist and shouldn't be ignored either. I am also saying what TA is doing and their reasoning...and so on.

And right now the Spartans and Morgans see you as not caring that YOUR people fired on Morgans not once but twice and did nothing about it. And now the TA gets all self rightous when the Morgans attack those that killed their citizens.

Gee, for a faction who has agents in TA sure doesn't watch the TA media all that much do they? Should have obvious hints that the COuncil was discussing the matter.

And we also see you helping long time enemies in the hive. It doen't matter if it is short term or long term, you are none the less acting in concert with them.

How in the bloody world is TA or any of its members helping the HIVE? Why would they? I can see the Coalition doing so behind TA back, which will become a liability and create friction with the TAF... but no one in TA is actually helping the Hive... more like the Hive is trying to help the Terrans... Can't the Spartans see that????? Oh no! the terrans are talking to the Hive, they must making joint plans to conquer Sparta.... like come on, paranoia does have limits.

Again, Chiron factions tend to look at the long term picture. And to them the TA looks more like the Protectorate and Hive then they do the PKs.

how can you even relate TA to Hive and the Protectorate??? I think the spartans is foussing on the Coalition to much and would think they notice that other members won't allow such things to happen, base on history and current attitudes.

What the PKs think is yet to be seen, but remember there has been no major war for over a hundred years, now all of a sudden the TA decides that they must take matters into their own hands.

Now, would the Spartans and Peacekeepers allow other factions do military actions within their territory without any authourization? would they not retaliate if some other faction takes over a system out of nowhere? The attitude you people are portraying the Chironians is that they see the Terrans as second-class citizens and don't deserve to do anything against their bullying. That is overly silly and those Chironian factions will get a big surprise, which i plan to do.

And there is still the little matter of Manifest Destiny. It may be benign to the TA, but to those that are it's neighbors such words are not to be taken lightly. You can very well take systems from Morgan, but don't think the Spartans are gonna say gee, they deserve to be a power. With power comes many new enemies.

Yes, I know, but don't expect TA to roll over for the Spartans either. Also, don't see me overly critizing Spartans or others actions with good reasons. I have stated TA's reasons for its actions so kass and others knows as players on what they are up to... don't freakin critisize them for nothing. Also, pretty silly for factions to make a big deal about the manifest destiny when they themselves would go off tkaing any opportunities to have all others under their banners.

other note, getting bit tired to need to repeat somethings, and getting the same arguments when i don't have the bloody time. Still not up to speed with the story or able to do much to add anything. Sorry for being defensive, but slightly annoyed with the so many assumptions of TA... sure maybe your factions may do so, but doesn't players should do the same. They shouldn't be intimidated by TA either, because nothing will go according to plan...and that is the fun of it. fun to adapt and rethink...which make long term planning useless.... better off doing short term plans towards some goals... right now, TA's actions will be to declare war and retaliate, and what is the big deal about that, hmmm? sure they may get systems, but doesn't mean they will simply be off on a unstoptable conquering spree. sure morganite allies will come help, but i have considered that and my ideas are base around those factors. I DO consider everything people, don't have to worry, geez

-LMP

[Mellian]

Originally posted by kassiopeia


Ah, that reminds me - I was hoping that the story would take a little twist later on, with an immense external threat, like the Borg in ST - TNG. What do you think of that?

can start out like that... makes sense to send a suicidal recon force

-LMP

[Mellian]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Kass, as the Protectorate has offered to Morgan Intersteller to mediate the TA/EC-MI/Believers/Saturnia conflict, can I have a Protectorate vessel arrive in the Sol System and reveal/offer to mediate?

Kerensky distrusts the Hive, but will distrust the Protectorate even more as they know nothing about... sure the Coalition will jump in to reply behind TA back...but TAF won't be to please to have an advance battleship to show up in sol out of nowhere.

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Mellian
Don't declare war on the Conclave!!! and ECSN isn't leading the attacks, TAF is just to say.

I haven't read what History use them for, but you can't declare war on mercenaries! and declaring war on a Pirate clan is oversilly.

-LMP

But... they are in a state of war, right? It would be crazy if they wouldn't response in some way - they just can't go around shooting at people, now can they?

Stop writing so much, I don't have the time to read...

[Mellian]

Originally posted by History Guy
I don't believe Morgan would see it as prudent to respond to Kass's declaration of war, except to offer peace talks.

Next in the Samnos and Naxos fights...Kass, Franky, will you both converge on Samnos and Naxos simualtenously, or one at a time? Either way, both attacks will cost you, even now my men know of your arrival!!

Attacks of the three systems should begin around the same time. Not sure how the Hive got involve in this... but TAF does expect ground warfare and is ready for it. Also convince the Scions to spare some of their interesting Ground Units along, which will provide a nifty surprise.

-LMP

[Mellian]

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Kass- I think we should start coordinating our "liberation" of Morganic territory pretty soon.

don't forget the TAF expert, and the Pirates

-LMP

As for the Peacekeeper ( ) problem. I don't know who the author is now. I do remember Guardian saying he wanted a piece of 'em, but he didn't post anything about 'em. I think we should find a new author or have everyone collaborate on them.

i don't mind, but as long they don't get into any war except for starting up their usual Peacekeeper ideals to prevent wars and mediate.

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Mellian:

Sorry, i was unaware of how big the TAF would be in in the battle - The Coalition Battle Squadron will be sufficient, right? Helping in taking out the Orbitals, I would presume. The Terran marines can do the groundwork...
But, who'll write about that?