Beyond Alpha Centauri::: Discussion Thread 3

[GeneralTacticus]

Okay, I've done two more posts to move the Cadre part along a bit.

Mr. President: Can we do some stuff on Menelaus's arrival at Vega?

History Guy: I'm sure our security forces would delighted to receive Mr Ku .

EDIT: Cool, I just did the 300th post!

[History Guy]

Kass- I like the idea of M.I.A. doing in Kvaerner. I'll reveal it later on...

There are no cruisers at Samnos, just a frigate. There are three cruisers and a dreadnought at Naxos.

Sprayber-- They are coperate sector!! Man, I forgot about your ships in the region! Maybe Spartan intervention will come quicker than you think...Protectorate guys might be around the region too, and they already want to have mediation here...

Cyber- OK, I hear ya! Constantin, I think, would have been conceived in around January, and in the story it's about early March now, so I'd say there's still quite a few posts until he comes into the story.

I would appreciate it if you wrote about the Quantum Shadow...

[Sprayber]

History Guy: I thought so

Kass: Expect a heavy Spartan fleet to be in the area of the planets. It's under the command of Admiral Paiktis. He is younger than most Spartan Admirals, only 200 years old


I sent the messages to the TA and the EC. About the eluding to Hive involvement. That was sort of a bluff on Kessel's part. He has no solid evidence of Hive involvement. Hey, to Kessel it just sounds like something Yang would try and do.


As you can tell Kessel is very much against aliens. Sparta has no alien races in its accepted ranks. There is one alien race within spartan borders but they are planet bound and primitive(something the Spartans make sure of). In fact the idea is currently being tossed around about relocating them to other planets outside Spartan territory.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by GeneralTacticus
Okay, I've done two more posts to move the Cadre part along a bit.

Mr. President: Can we do some stuff on Menelaus's arrival at Vega?

History Guy: I'm sure our security forces would delighted to receive Mr Ku .

EDIT: Cool, I just did the 300th post!

General.. I was looking at some earlier posts and found where you asked about moving the cadre's arival at your planet back and that is a good idea. Sorry I didn't see it earlier, but since I was in germany there were many things I missed. Go ahead and go with the idea that they arrived earlier, 50 years or so I think you stated.

[Sprayber]

Just curious General, what part of Australia are you from. I know people in Melbourne.

*watch General be from Perth on the opposite side of the country

[GeneralTacticus]

Spray: Yeah, I moved the dates back quite a while ago. As for where I live - it is Melbourne!

[Lonestar]

Kass, and History Guy

Made a post regarding ya fellas!

[Frankychan]

Hive attack will be posted tomorrow (Friday).

I will probably post @ 2:00 pm PST. Today is Thursday 9:11 pm PST.


History Guy- I will launch the attack but when you do your post, please do not destroy the Admiral.

My post will end with the fighting still going on.

[Mr. President]

OK, here goes:

General Tacticus, we can certainly do some stuff with Menelaus arriving at Vega. Did you know I live in Melbourne too?

Now as for the Temple, they're going to go and take a look at one of the planets that the sentience showed Gary. That's about as far ahead as I'd thought.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Cybergod
Kass - it all seems clear. But you wouldn't mind if sometime in the future we blow Maya up into tiny pieces...

All in due time, my friend.

* The prison ship from Titan - should I post anything or should I leave it all to Kass (poor Kass - all this stuff pilled up for him to deal with... )

I was thinking; Sym would probably hang around with Greg and Filkins 'till Earth...? Of course, the Hive could intervene and rescue him from the two

Lonestar: Gonna read it anytime soon.

History:

Just one single frigate? One single lousy frigate? One frigate, one single frigate? One frigate? One?

Damn, I was hoping for a nice, little, epic space battle like in the good old times of Return of the Jedi
One frigate... I'd like to see the face of that Captain when our Battle Squadron, and the Hive forces arrive...
(I was planning on having several Battle Squadrons, and Battle Carriers there, remember the Ragnarok thingie, but heck, they'd take over that moon with a handful of Battleships...)

Ok, but now I must read the story.

[Mellian]

One problem that will come up is that of the PKs. They are a large player in the human systems. I can see the Gaians and Cyborgs staying out of it, but the PK are just too big of a player to remain silant especially since they lie between everyone that is fighting. The Terrans should remember that even though the PK may be democratic and peace loving they won't allow the Terrans to become too large. I would bet even Yang figures that he will have to fight then eventually.

What is wrong with the Terrans? geez sure there is this manifest destiny about, but not going to happen for quite awhile. Right now, the goal is to have the Terran Alliance become a super power...which isn't base solely on how much territory you control...but mainly on capabilities and politics.
Right now, they are only going to war with the Morganites ONLY... they are not declaring war on everyone, geez... if there is a war between the Terrans and Spartans, and so on, it would be the Spartans' and so on's fault. It is the Morganites fault they got into war with the Terrans, thinking they can simply enter Sol and try to take out a Member without taking the DIplomatic path. No player as ever discussed the impacts, and i chose to be quiet as TA's needs someone to declare war on, for a good reason.

as for human wide war... I am only interested in having TA take three morganite systems, proving they are a force to be reckon with and not one to push around... Doubt the Peacekeepers will tolerate military actions within their territory, and then accuse to be agressors because they went to stop it.... it is the other players decision wether they want to take on the Terrans or not.... TA will not be declaring war for the sake of conquering...they have declared war because they have been attacked and loss a system. Chironians will be very screwed up people if they see the Terrans as agressors when they are not the one who start the war!!! and nothing wrong in retaliating by taking some systems. I am sure the Chironians have a lot of experience in such matters, and that the Peacekeepers have a lot of mediation experiences.

I can the peacekeepers do something around the all out human wars happening all around them...and i would think they would worry more about the Spartans, Hive and the newly known Protectorate then a war the Morganites brought to themselves. Sure they may have opinions concerning the Terran Alliance and its members, like InEn where some factions see them as "terrorists"....and then jump to the ignorant and arrogant idea that TA must be all terrorists and evil for defending them....... Peacekeepers will be smart enough to know that you can't simply enter ones territory to go "terrorist" hunting within another's territory... like come on! or follow the stupid idea that the rest of TA are aggressors and evil for trying to defend Callisto. Peacekeepers does recognize the Terran Alliance because they succeeded in unite the factions in Sol into one common goal and so on.... which the Chironian factions wasn't able to achieve. Sure TA and the terrans in general is not perfect...but who is?

Anyway, I have mention of the problems within TA that will happen, which will lead to good reforms and changes which Peacekeepers will support along with gaining the status of Super-Power. As for the manifest destiny, it is just some idea which so many Chironians make to much of a big deal or misenterpret. manifest destiny idea started after a Fraal accidently made the comment that the Terran Alliance eventually unite all of humanity...which some humans who overheard and started making a big thing, then the idea being discussed a lot in the media and so on, which other factions ended up learning from...tied with the past re-contact between some coalition people and gaians...where the coalition, being oversilly as they are, think and said it that Chiron belong to Earth. anyway, the idea is an quite an popular idea which other factions made to much of a big deal to the point of it changing their policies concerning the Terrans in general. Sure Kerensky believes very much on the idea, but he doesn't believe it will be achieved by force.... sure he is using force and hoping the opportunity to effectivelly use the TAF, but mainly to prove to the rest of humanity that they are not weak, that TA won't be push around and to make TA more attractive to join. while doing that, also hope to achieve some good changes and reforms within TA, so won't be as loose and pulled down by silly politics, internal squabbles, member going off doing their on thing like instigate war and so on. TA and Peacekeepers relations will improve if TA can prove themselves to be worthy, and how they do things. I don't see the peackeepers making a big deal about the manifest destiny which other factions make a big deal of...unless TA proves that they are the hypocritical inhuman militaristic police state conquering type, which other factions simply Assumes. I see the Peacekeepers the more wisest of the Chironian factions, a faction who achieve quite a strong federation and succeeded in toning down if not eliminated the negative effects of bureaucracy.

Now Sprayber, stop trying to get the Peacekeepers go against the Terrans as well....they are not paranoid Spartans who like to assume and misunderstand the Terran Alliance I will fight to the end concerning the relations between TA and PK, and me and Kass knowns how we want to form the Terran Alliance....not formed by others views meaning, stop assuming that TA will join some axis alliance and wage all out war. There won't be an Pact with the Hive either, geez maybe a temporary military alliance against a common foe, but TA...atleast Kerensky and the TAF, won't allow themselves and TA to be manipulated by Hive and others.

Also people, USA seem to have this manifest destiny idea that Canada will be part of their country at some point....which isn't a big of deal these days...as right not is very unlikely that USA will conquer or absorb Canada anytime soon.

-LMP

[Mellian]

About Battle of Samnos

I was thinking - now the ECSN is in place - so what about the Hive comes in now?

Also, I believe I have responded to any possible message. I have declared war on the MI, officially, and the Conclave.

Don't declare war on the Conclave!!! and ECSN isn't leading the attacks, TAF is just to say.

The Novan clan shall be next in line, aye?

I haven't read what History use them for, but you can't declare war on mercenaries! and declaring war on a Pirate clan is oversilly.

-LMP

[History Guy]

Yeah, thanks, Lonestar. In my next pst (space battle) Morgan will tip you off that the Hive is...currently attacking our holdings in the coperate sector!!!

Franky-- I wasn't going to blast Admiral Bippol to a pulp, but I will blast some lower officers to a pulp, I tell ya...

Kass-- Yeah, one frigate, and 16 fighters, 14 orbital platforms, and one orbital cannon. It ain't much, but it'll take down some ships. Those platforms are armed with ship busters, which'll probably take down several of your ships with a single shot, seeing as how there are so many that are packed so closely in, with the Hive fleet nearby. I'd say you'll win, but you'll lose a lot of men, like the Morganites. Whenever they seem to win anything they lose about 1/4 of their guys...I think that's what'll happen to you when you get down on Samnos. I hope you can land troops there too, as there are elite militia regiments garrisoning, and they have...underground bunkers!!

When you go to Naxos, you'll have an epic space battle, trust me. And remember, Spartans are in the region, and they are already anti-Hive, and remember that they have sworn to defend their allies. Remember also that the Protectorate hates the Hive as well...

like InEn where some factions see them as "terrorists"....and then jump to the ignorant and arrogant idea that TA must be all terrorists and evil for defending them....... Peacekeepers will be smart enough to know that you can't simply enter ones territory to go "terrorist" hunting within another's territory... like come on! or follow the stupid idea that the rest of TA are aggressors and evil for trying to defend Callisto.

Thanks LMP.

What's wrong with thinking of InEn as terrorists?

We never thought that TA was aggressive for defending Callisto, we just wanted to kill as many InEn guys as possible, and avoiding killing as many Earthers as possible. The Coalition did nothing against these InEn pigs, so we had to take matters into our own hands. I sure would have liked to hear that attacking InEn was a stupid idea when it was suggested to me that I do it...

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by History Guy
Cyber- OK, I hear ya! Constantin, I think, would have been conceived in around January, and in the story it's about early March now, so I'd say there's still quite a few posts until he comes into the story.

I would appreciate it if you wrote about the Quantum Shadow...

OK, so how many posts till "March"?

Will start writing about the Arrival of Quantum Shadow, but what should I say about the Morganites? Who will greet them? I suggest this:

* The ship leaves FTL space
* Starts broadcasting

Then what?

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
What is wrong with the Terrans? geez sure there is this manifest destiny about, but not going to happen for quite awhile. Right now, the goal is to have the Terran Alliance become a super power...which isn't base solely on how much territory you control...but mainly on capabilities and politics.
Right now, they are only going to war with the Morganites ONLY... they are not declaring war on everyone, geez... if there is a war between the Terrans and Spartans, and so on, it would be the Spartans' and so on's fault. It is the Morganites fault they got into war with the Terrans, thinking they can simply enter Sol and try to take out a Member without taking the DIplomatic path. No player as ever discussed the impacts, and i chose to be quiet as TA's needs someone to declare war on, for a good reason.

Mellian, do you think the the Terrans would actually think that the Spartans would just set back as an ally of it's got attacked. I dont' know how Terrans treat their allies, but the Spartans tend to support them. The Chiron factions seem to have one major advantage, thats in that they think more in the long term since they live far longer. The Terrans want everything now while the Chiron factions know that the long term is more important. The Spartans sent three messages informing the Terrans that Sparta would honor it's pacts, any war will be because the Terrans didn't listen. And the Spartans have very long memories.

as for human wide war... I am only interested in having TA take three morganite systems, proving they are a force to be reckon with and not one to push around... Doubt the Peacekeepers will tolerate military actions within their territory, and then accuse to be agressors because they went to stop it.... it is the other players decision wether they want to take on the Terrans or not.... TA will not be declaring war for the sake of conquering...they have declared war because they have been attacked and loss a system. Chironians will be very screwed up people if they see the Terrans as agressors when they are not the one who start the war!!! and nothing wrong in retaliating by taking some systems. I am sure the Chironians have a lot of experience in such matters, and that the Peacekeepers have a lot of mediation experiences.

It doesnt matter what the intentions of the Terrans are when they declare war. When they attack another power with allies, they shouldn't be surprised when those allies declare war. From the Morgan poit of view, they were attacked by a TA member, the TA did nothing about it. Then they were attacked again at a peace confernce by the same TA member, the TA still did nothing So they attacked that TA member only. If the TA had resolved the issue, there would have been no conflict. Did the TA not act in order to start a war, or was it just bad governing on the TA's part?

I can the peacekeepers do something around the all out human wars happening all around them...and i would think they would worry more about the Spartans, Hive and the newly known Protectorate then a war the Morganites brought to themselves. Sure they may have opinions concerning the Terran Alliance and its members, like InEn where some factions see them as "terrorists"....and then jump to the ignorant and arrogant idea that TA must be all terrorists and evil for defending them....... Peacekeepers will be smart enough to know that you can't simply enter ones territory to go "terrorist" hunting within another's territory... like come on! or follow the stupid idea that the rest of TA are aggressors and evil for trying to defend Callisto. Peacekeepers does recognize the Terran Alliance because they succeeded in unite the factions in Sol into one common goal and so on.... which the Chironian factions wasn't able to achieve. Sure TA and the terrans in general is not perfect...but who is?

No one is perfect, but a legit governing body has a responsibility to control it's borders and those entities that operate within its borders. If the TA or EC could not or would not do this, then the Morgans would have to take matters in their own hands. Thats the whole issue. If the TA wants to be recognized as power, then the first step is to control it's people. There never would have been any conflict if that would have happened

Anyway, I have mention of the problems within TA that will happen, which will lead to good reforms and changes which Peacekeepers will support along with gaining the status of Super-Power. As for the manifest destiny, it is just some idea which so many Chironians make to much of a big deal or misenterpret. manifest destiny idea started after a Fraal accidently made the comment that the Terran Alliance eventually unite all of humanity...which some humans who overheard and started making a big thing, then the idea being discussed a lot in the media and so on, which other factions ended up learning from...tied with the past re-contact between some coalition people and gaians...where the coalition, being oversilly as they are, think and said it that Chiron belong to Earth. anyway, the idea is an quite an popular idea which other factions made to much of a big deal to the point of it changing their policies concerning the Terrans in general. Sure Kerensky believes very much on the idea, but he doesn't believe it will be achieved by force.... sure he is using force and hoping the opportunity to effectivelly use the TAF, but mainly to prove to the rest of humanity that they are not weak, that TA won't be push around and to make TA more attractive to join. while doing that, also hope to achieve some good changes and reforms within TA, so won't be as loose and pulled down by silly politics, internal squabbles, member going off doing their on thing like instigate war and so on. TA and Peacekeepers relations will improve if TA can prove themselves to be worthy, and how they do things. I don't see the peackeepers making a big deal about the manifest destiny which other factions make a big deal of...unless TA proves that they are the hypocritical inhuman militaristic police state conquering type, which other factions simply Assumes. I see the Peacekeepers the more wisest of the Chironian factions, a faction who achieve quite a strong federation and succeeded in toning down if not eliminated the negative effects of bureaucracy.

Does the TA expect the Chiron factions to simply trust the TA and take their word for it? The PKs aren't going to attack the TA but don't think they will simply roll over and sing the praises of Earth. The Pks have created their own society quite nicely without any help from the Terrans. They have their own vision of where humanity should be going and it's not necessarly under the banner of the TA. Never did I say that the PKs will attack the TA, I'm just saying don't count too much on the PKs being so anxious in following along. They will do what is good for their interests. And more than anything, that is keeping the peace. After all they are still the Peacekeepers

Now Sprayber, stop trying to get the Peacekeepers go against the Terrans as well....they are not paranoid Spartans who like to assume and misunderstand the Terran Alliance I will fight to the end concerning the relations between TA and PK, and me and Kass knowns how we want to form the Terran Alliance....not formed by others views meaning, stop assuming that TA will join some axis alliance and wage all out war. There won't be an Pact with the Hive either, geez maybe a temporary military alliance against a common foe, but TA...atleast Kerensky and the TAF, won't allow themselves and TA to be manipulated by Hive and others.

Your still under the assumption that your view of the TA should be shared by all. All of those things may well be true, but you can't expect the Spartans or even the other factions to share the same view. The US thinks of itself as a country only interested in fosterind good will and all the usual good stuff, but it doesn't matter if countries like Iraq or even some of it's allies see things differently. It's not a matter of how you self yourself, it's a matter of how others see you. And right now the Spartans and Morgans see you as not caring that YOUR people fired on Morgans not once but twice and did nothing about it. And now the TA gets all self rightous when the Morgans attack those that killed their citizens. And we also see you helping long time enemies in the hive. It doen't matter if it is short term or long term, you are none the less acting in concert with them. Again, Chiron factions tend to look at the long term picture. And to them the TA looks more like the Protectorate and Hive then they do the PKs. What the PKs think is yet to be seen, but remember there has been no major war for over a hundred years, now all of a sudden the TA decides that they must take matters into their own hands. And there is still the little matter of Manifest Destiny. It may be benign to the TA, but to those that are it's neighbors such words are not to be taken lightly. You can very well take systems from Morgan, but don't think the Spartans are gonna say gee, they deserve to be a power. With power comes many new enemies.

Also people, USA seem to have this manifest destiny idea that Canada will be part of their country at some point....which isn't a big of deal these days...as right not is very unlikely that USA will conquer or absorb Canada anytime soon.-LMP

But The US hasn't declared war on on the UK or other Canadian allies either. Jokes or people talking isn't of much concern by themselves, but when taken in context of fleets and armies on the move, such talk should be taken seriously. We had a talks of Manifest Destiny many years ago. It was accompanied with soldiers in Mexico City.