Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Mellian
If they are going bankrupt, they would probably be better to the Terran Alliance then the Coalition....

Maybe. But at least they would drop all ship license payments from EC to InEn, right?
TA will do well with all those ships and shipyards. Increases TAF's strength nicely.

whats wrong? it is not unique and almost everything in startrek is absolutly not compatible with BAC
-LMP

You can say that again! If anyone decides to suggest the use of transporters, I will personally come and do physical harm to you. Remember the Heisenberg Principle goddammit...

The carrier sizes... well, some militaries build only a select few super-superships. Like the Empire built these 8 kilometer Super Star Destroyers. They would need a 1 km engine system to move all that mass. Besides my carriers have extra fuel for small scoutships and the like.

Some say it's around 12 kilometres. *shrugs*
Read here, very interesting tech stuff about SW.

[History Guy]

OK. I'm back. Sorry for my abscense. Firstly we've had a family tragedy and then I was down with a nasty cold for a few days, but I intend to get my post done this evening and up tomorrow afternoon. We'll kill off Manson and the Colonial Magistrate, but the infantry general will be captured along with the Colonial Headquarters.

[Mr. President]

Sorry to hear about that, History Guy. Hope your family's okay.

[Cybergod]

::cue the trumpets::

I'm back!!!



Actually I came back yesterday but didn't post since there were like 10 pages that I didn't read! Man, I wish I stayed forever there - instead I have to come back to this dirty (polluted) and grey city called London...

Some enormous work being done. Should I be posting anything? I think I'd better wait for the Uni to make a few contacts. And whats with the new story threads?

History Guy, I am sorry to hear about that. Hope everything's fine. One thing though - good description of Titan!

Mellian, my little kingdom has the word Saturn in it and we consider all of the moons of Saturn to be our territory. And I think that there should be some of thos... erm... 'floating' colonies in space . What are they called?

And

ahhhhhhhhhhhh! I am being chased by those green faces!

[Mellian]

Originally posted by History Guy
OK. I'm back. Sorry for my abscense. Firstly we've had a family tragedy and then I was down with a nasty cold for a few days, but I intend to get my post done this evening and up tomorrow afternoon. We'll kill off Manson and the Colonial Magistrate, but the infantry general will be captured along with the Colonial Headquarters.

TAF General Shania Ross

-LMP

[Mellian]

Maybe. But at least they would drop all ship license payments from EC to InEn, right?
TA will do well with all those ships and shipyards. Increases TAF's strength nicely.

Indeed, and create the Civillian Division of TAF. The InEn would of course be upgrade to TAF Standards. TAF will also gain control of Callisto and 1/3 to half of Luna The Coalition will not be please

-LMP

[Mellian]

Mellian, my little kingdom has the word Saturn in it and we consider all of the moons of Saturn to be our territory. And I think that there should be some of thos... erm... 'floating' colonies in space . What are they called?

There will be a few, but they would be in Coalition control.... so theres some more Coalition and Titan confrontations may be the kingdom of saturn, but doesn't mean they automaticly control all of the Saturn area

I will say there is going to be three.... Space Colonies, or the technical term, Self-contain Space Station Habitat. how about Zulu, Amazon and Aztec for names? corny names, but hey.

-LMP

[Mellian]

Okay, i am in the third page of the story thread......


One problem i have is how few days passes in the story, and how quick ships move about, prepare for battle and etc..... like come one not only there FTL limitation i need to clearly state, but there is also STL travel, how it takes to get ready and etc........

I would think 2700 would be almost over

-LMP

[History Guy]

LMP-- I intended originally that my next post be in early 2701.

[Sovereign]

Hrmm...

Okay, here's my fixes for problems.

1. The Promethus will be UCS's first robotic warship with the first sophisicated AI system. To prevent subversion of the AI, it has total loyalty and obedience to Randius. With no need for food tanks, air systems, and life support, minimal corridors (Only for maintainence) it frees up over 35% internal space. It will have twin Yamato cannons, multiple heavy cannons and ballistic launchers, and have the latest in armor technology. It will be three layers of Neutronium armor, with an experimental abalative armor capable of small scale regeneration. It will have 25% the regeneration rate of Bio-metal and Nanotech hulls.

I will post a pic to give you a rough idea of what it will look like, when I figure out how to post pics in here. Mellian, I will do what you suggested, but I might not have the pics ready until next week or weekend. The pics are on my other computer at college, I'm at home right now, and I go back by the Monday after this Monday when my break is over.

These extensive systems will be possible with triple the power-plant capability in the new ship, two engine cores for propulsion, and the size of the ship will be between 3 to 5 km. There will be several malfunctions and unexpected issues faced with it, so it is not 100% reliable for quite a while. Also, the expenses of this ship is so great that UCS did not build any new warships since 2690. Mass production of this ship will not be possible for 50 years or so when the technologies are refined enough for mass-production. It is basically a heavily armored experimental test-bed of a warship. UCS is leaning towards automated war- with robots replacing human soldiers.

Anyone who ever played the PC game, "Earth: 2150" will know exactly what I'm going for. If you're curious, I'm sure you can find some links for info about it on the web with Google and Lycos.



2. I will follow Mellian's ideas for usage of Neutronium armor, and yes, the weak spots will be the engines and the gun emplacements, but they are well defended with AAA batteries to protect aganist any daring fighter pilots.



3. I will edit my post to make it so that Magellan will encounter a Procterate relay station by pure chance. It will hack into and be able to only download a few tranmissions. Proc. will find out and chase Magellan, but not before Magellan sends all the information towards the warship group in Peacekeeper territory. The warship group then transmits the Procterate location, all gleaned data on the chasing Proc. ship, and copies of the encrypted tranmissions to be de-crypted at the UCS home system.



4. The Enterprise carriers will be 6 km long, with 1 km purely devoted to engines, extra fuel, and a small repair bay for ships Darwin class or smaller.



Okay.... I don't want to get all out of proportion here, but the Enterprise class carrier recieves the signal from the Magellan, both the data burst and the distress signal. Then it takes a hour for it to jump to the edges of the "arena" where the Magellan, Moosebrugger and Cold Harbor, and Skipfire are. All 4 ships pick up the carrier on their sensors and react accordingly. The carrier makes way for the Magellan to tow it into its repair bay and cement communications with the Hive. The carrier hails the Proc. 2 ships, trying to ask for a cease-fire and promises not to reveal the data acquired about Roving and tranmissions to anyone else. Also, I will offer an additional chip at the table, complete deletion of the "copied" encrypted tranmissions, to try and settle matters between Proc. and UCS, as well as finally opening up dialogue with the Hive.

Can't do that with self-destruction, can we? I seriously would like the kind of stand-off from the situation described above. It will introduce the UCS in a big way, and the UCS will be a part of the Hive-Proc. sticky situation. This may perhaps be one of the "trigger-events" that lead to that war.



On a side note, LMP, you said no time machines, right? I read the story thread and Lonestar wrote about parallel universes and a time machine. I don't want to sound rude or brash, but seeing that Lonestar was able to write about these stuff, I should be allowed to keep my 6 km carrier size and Promethus specifications.

One other thing. My second secret project would be the Hunter-Seeker Algorthim, to prevent probe teams from stealing further technology and to prevent subversion of UCS robotic units. So the other factions can't take over the UCS with its own robots, and eliminating the UCS from the story.

[Mellian]

1. The Promethus will be UCS's first robotic warship with the first sophisicated AI system. To prevent subversion of the AI, it has total loyalty and obedience to Randius. With no need for food tanks, air systems, and life support, minimal corridors (Only for maintainence) it frees up over 35% internal space. It will have twin Yamato cannons, multiple heavy cannons and ballistic launchers, and have the latest in armor technology. It will be three layers of Neutronium armor, with an experimental abalative armor capable of small scale regeneration. It will have 25% the regeneration rate of Bio-metal and Nanotech hulls.

Can try complete automation, but why not have some problems with that, where the sentient goes awire? later, the problem is remdied with some reprgramming and atleast have a small skeleton crew like 50 people as backup or to prevent the comp from going awire. ... i would think there would be some space for a small crew, just incase the ship goes wrong and need to manually bring it back. Drop the ablative armor....which my impression of it in startrek that it simply coating which can easily be fix/replaced by spraying the stuff again....and only serve as bit more protection against energy weapons. Doesn't regenerate. anyway, drop it.

These extensive systems will be possible with triple the power-plant capability in the new ship, two engine cores for propulsion, and the size of the ship will be between 3 to 5 km. There will be several malfunctions and unexpected issues faced with it, so it is not 100% reliable for quite a while. Also, the expenses of this ship is so great that UCS did not build any new warships since 2690. Mass production of this ship will not be possible for 50 years or so when the technologies are refined enough for mass-production. It is basically a heavily armored experimental test-bed of a warship. UCS is leaning towards automated war- with robots replacing human soldiers.

which does have its disadvantages...even if their sentient, which can go awire

Anyone who ever played the PC game, "Earth: 2150" will know exactly what I'm going for. If you're curious, I'm sure you can find some links for info about it on the web with Google and Lycos.

I have

2. I will follow Mellian's ideas for usage of Neutronium armor, and yes, the weak spots will be the engines and the gun emplacements, but they are well defended with AAA batteries to protect aganist any daring fighter pilots.

no bigger deal then other ships have point defense weapons.

Can't do that with self-destruction, can we? I seriously would like the kind of stand-off from the situation described above. It will introduce the UCS in a big way, and the UCS will be a part of the Hive-Proc. sticky situation. This may perhaps be one of the "trigger-events" that lead to that war.

Yes, but do realize that University is like at the other side of human space from Hive and the Protectorate..... and if University start bringing ships there, the Peacekeepers will wonder and end up getting involved too...which wouldn't be good as no one is playing them and don't want them to filled up with details just yet.

On a side note, LMP, you said no time machines, right? I read the story thread and Lonestar wrote about parallel universes and a time machine. I don't want to sound rude or brash, but seeing that Lonestar was able to write about these stuff, I should be allowed to keep my 6 km carrier size and Promethus specifications.

If he did, then i haven't gotten to that part yet.

One other thing. My second secret project would be the Hunter-Seeker Algorthim, to prevent probe teams from stealing further technology and to prevent subversion of UCS robotic units. So the other factions can't take over the UCS with its own robots, and eliminating the UCS from the story.

The problem i have with the Hunter-Seeker Algorithm in SMAC is that, it only goes after "intruders" who is hacking into the Datalinks network, trying to acquire data on various techs.... Doesn't prevent espionage the whole fashion. Second, it isn't as effective in a Space era factions, where infiltration involves more then just hacking into the datalinks of other faction, but infiltrating physically as well, the old fashion way...which can possibly acquire the power or/and knowledge to bypass the hunter seeker algorithm.

-LMP

[Sovereign]

Okay...

My version of abalative style of armor would be a primitive version of Proc's Nanotech hull, superimposed over a 3-layer Neutronium hull. It is Neutronium-Adamantium alloy with nanite regeneration. However, it regenerates at 1/4 the rate Proc's Nanotech hulls do and Scion bio-metal. UCS has some nanotechnology, and is only beginning to develop advanced nanotechnology after discovering Matter Compression.



Neutronium issue resolved, thanks for your patience with this LMP



As for the ship conflict... UCS only has these scouts and the carrier + escort group. The bulk of UCS main armada is in its home systems. Randius assigned one task force to search out new contacts, civilizations and to seek out the Hive. The Peacekeepers approved it, in an agreement that once the ship group finished scouting the nearby systems, it will move out the Peacekeeper territory into the unexplored territories. My Explorationary Corps. does a leap-frog, sector to sector. Scouts scout, explore, and survey the surronding systems then the main defensive warships leap into one of the explored systems. Then the process starts all over again.



To all purposes and intents, I'd like UCS to be involved with the Proc. and the Hive, and have an interest in the brewing conflict, with a desire to get UCS hands on Proc. nanotechnologies and research during the conflict.



Okay, I'd like to propose a modified Hunter-Seeker Algorithm... A project that once completed, grants my robotic and AI units complete immunity to hackers and other factions who want to steal or use them aganist UCS. Basically, it means the robotic and AI units can't be used or subverted by other factions. That is UCS's attempt to counter or neutralize robotic disadavatanges.



LMP, I'm going to base some Univ. (Univ. Comm. States.) stuff after United Civilian States (UCS) from Earth: 2150, with AI sub-processors like GOLAN, ARES, KAIN, etc, and a society where people and automations co-exist. This society frees Univ. people from menial labor to focus more on research and technology. Robots do the mining, cleaning city streets, secretary work, etc. But the rest of the stuff will be Univ. from Zakahrov's day and some of my new ideas thrown in like a Technocracy government.

[Kassiopeia]

History:

Originally posted by Cybergod
::cue the trumpets::

I'm back!!!

And not a second too late, err, early, err... welcome, anyway.

Mellian, my little kingdom has the word Saturn in it and we consider all of the moons of Saturn to be our territory. And I think that there should be some of thos... erm... 'floating' colonies in space . What are they called?

SSSHs, Self-Supported Space Colonies IIRC. And yes, there ought to be some orbiting Saturn. And, what Mellian/LMP said. Three, named, well, Aztec, Inca, and Maya or something like that. One could be called Juno, after the Roman successor of the god Saturn.

ahhhhhhhhhhhh! I am being chased by those green faces!

Join the club

Methinks I should be scraping up a post, probably the time Capella has been taken.

[Mellian]

Okay...
My version of abalative style of armor would be a primitive version of Proc's Nanotech hull, superimposed over a 3-layer Neutronium hull. It is Neutronium-Adamantium alloy with nanite regeneration. However, it regenerates at 1/4 the rate Proc's Nanotech hulls do and Scion bio-metal. UCS has some nanotechnology, and is only beginning to develop advanced nanotechnology after discovering Matter Compression.

you are pushing it man no regenerative your version of ablative armor. anyway, ablative armor was already mentioned elsewhere :P got your near super ship, university as enough advantages, and their advance enough triple Neutronium armor is good enough and don't want a near invincible ship running around either.

Okay, I'd like to propose a modified Hunter-Seeker Algorithm... A project that once completed, grants my robotic and AI units complete immunity to hackers and other factions who want to steal or use them aganist UCS. Basically, it means the robotic and AI units can't be used or subverted by other factions. That is UCS's attempt to counter or neutralize robotic disadavatanges.

there is no such thing as complete immunity Hunter-Seeker Algorithm requires everything being connected in one constant network, which is impossible in BAC as Tachyon comm isn't constant.

LMP, I'm going to base some Univ. (Univ. Comm. States.) stuff after United Civilian States (UCS) from Earth: 2150, with AI sub-processors like GOLAN, ARES, KAIN, etc, and a society where people and automations co-exist. This society frees Univ. people from menial labor to focus more on research and technology. Robots do the mining, cleaning city streets, secretary work, etc. But the rest of the stuff will be Univ. from Zakahrov's day and some of my new ideas thrown in like a Technocracy government.

Androids you mean, or stupid pre-sentient robots? the Drones use droids for a lot of their Mining and Construction it seems.

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Mellian
you are pushing it man no regenerative your version of ablative armor. anyway, ablative armor was already mentioned elsewhere :P

Ablative armour is standard for Coalition capital ships; it can redirect 3 to 20 percent, depending on weapon type, of the strike of an energy weapon's energy away. And no, it's not regenerative, unless the ship is undergoing repairs on a spacedock.

Note that more "physical" weapons, like explosives and rail gun projectiles, are most penetrative, whereas weapons based solely on an energy discharge lose a good measure of their energy.